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  1. 2 hours ago, BP2 said:

    Une idée de la quantité de missiles et trépieds que ca couvre?

    aucune information officielle.
    Certains lanceurs et équipements sont donnés et déjà inclus dans l'accord Rafale pour être mis en place lorsque les Rafales arrivent en Croatie, des missiles et lanceurs supplémentaires et un poste de contrôle sont à payer... il est donc difficile de se prononcer.

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  2. Au fait, petite info ...Je pense que nous pouvons oublier le Rafale pour la Serbie.

    https://www.danas.rs/svet/paravojna-grupa-vagner-pohvalila-se-na-telegramu-u-srbiji-osnovan-centar-prijateljstva-i-saradnje/


    La société Wagner de Poutine est venue en Serbie, officiellement et le nouveau chef des services secrets est un type pro-Putin et pro-Milosevic - Vulin.

    La Serbie a décidé de rester fidèle à Putin et d'attendre le bon moment pour mener une "opération spéciale" au Kosovo et au Monténégro.

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  3. 15 hours ago, Ziggy Stardust said:

    Celui de droite est avec des Strela-2M, celui de gauche avec des Mistral 3. Le tube et ses embouts sont charactéristiques des Mistrals

     

    Photos officielles de l'exercice Manevri 2022, fin octobre-début novembre 

    Quelque chose ne va pas avec cette image... photoshop ou tubes pour le spectacle.
    La galerie officielle de Manevri 2022 ne contient pas cette image.
    https://www.vs.rs/sr_lat/pretraga/rezultati-pretrage?search_month_from=&search_year_from=&search_month_to=&search_year_to=&s=manevri+2022&btn_submit=

    Exactement sur cet exercice, Vucici a dit que le Mistral était en retard.

  4. J'aime les discussions de forum comme celle-ci afin que nous puissions échanger des opinions et des perspectives... à la fin, la politique et le profit consistent à décider de vendre ou non

    @Patrick, merci pour la suggestion, mais j'ai écrit sur l'anglais parce que j'ai eu une mauvaise expérience avec un traducteur en français ... OK, je vais écrire sur la France via un traducteur

     

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  5. 18 hours ago, Kelkin said:

    J'ai bien peur qu'il n'y ait pas de bonne solution à cette question de vente à la Serbie. Il y a des problèmes si l'on accepte comme si l'on refuse.

    Une chose est sûre en tout cas, c'est que la Croatie est dans l'OTAN et dans l'Union Européenne, et la France est entrée dans un partenariat stratégique avec elle. Si la Serbie devenait agressive à nouveau, il est clair que nous ne serions pas de son côté, et elle se retrouverait sans assistance ni pièces détachées de notre part.

    that is some kind of idealistic idea...my point is the France should not take away the strategic advance of deterrence to  croatia as NATO member just to balance Croatia with Serbia as non-NATO member wich doesnt want to be NATO member at all.

    As long as Serbia is nonNATO it should not be able to buy Rafale and similar technology, and as far as Sebia is nonNATO , NATO member Croatia must have advantage over Serbia. It is so clear and logical I think.
    if something happens in Balkans Croatia will be on first combat line with serb-russian shit again, in Bosnia, in Montenegro in Serbia...

     

    I would close this disscussion with this

     

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  6. at this very moment in MonteNegro is ongoing NATO-nonNATO drama directed from Belgrade on russian intructions with perspective to escalate. Croatia have sensitive border with MN.
    Same is preparing for Kosovo and it is ongoing process in serbian part of Bosnia to destroy the state and to attach it to a Serbia , only 100 km from Zagreb.
    For a weeks we have covert UAV operations from there over croatian army NATO facilities... and so on


    I understand you are not familiar with this russian-serbian hegemony covert and media-hybrid operations on other states as no one in europe was familiar in 90's except the victims of serbian Greate Serbia agression...or russian agression preps for Ukraina. You are to far to feel it or to deal with it what Serbia as russian proxy  is preparing for years.

    https://warsawinstitute.org/russian-gru-agents-found-guilty-attempted-montenegro-coup/
    Serbia in NATO must be first pre-condition to sell them western sophisticated technology, no NATO member should be naive these days and unloyal to a NATO alies bordering russian-chinese strong point.
    France have enough non-NATO customers out of Europe

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  7. You are looking too narrow, only to protect france/rafale technological advandatages.

    The picture is much wider if you sell rafale to Serbia.
    Serbia is not a NATO memmber and never will be, so it is not OK to Croatia - very active NATO member do such a deal behind her back. If so, France is killing one NATO member strategic advantage over never-nato country with deep contraversial russian-chinese strategic alliances with very concerning history and future imperislistic plans over Kosovo, Montenegro and BiH and russian plans for balkans.

    It should be analysed trough such NATO - nonNATO perspective , not only perspective how to protect the rafale techological platform.

     

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  8. 36 minutes ago, Kelkin said:

    Premier des clients potentiels du SAMP/T à être perdu à cause des manigances allemandes ?

    It could be the MICA VL, becouse of Rafale deal ...but now we have a new moment as European Sky Shield initiative wich does not involving France.
    And also stories on Rafale for serbia, and Macron's love for Serbia does not help

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  9. Croatian MoD yesterday confirmed buying french short range air defence system, not specified the details. Up to 5 systems batallions.
    Also confirmed in negotations with France to buy Mid-range AD system but paused in this moment to calculate how to fit into a new proclaimed EU integrated anti balistic air defence system.

     

    https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/banozic-najavio-nabavku-francuskog-protuzracnog-sustava-nakon-pada-drona-to-je-prioritet-15261278

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  10. 22 hours ago, PolluxDeltaSeven said:

    Personnellement, j'aurais tendance à être d'accord avec toi sur le constat.

    Après, je suis à peu près persuadé que beaucoup de monde (gouvernement français, ministère des affaires étrangères, Union Européenne, etc.) pensent que l'on pourra éloigner la Serbie de la Russie, l' "européaniser" et "l'assainir politiquement" en en faisant un partenaire commercial plus sérieux, notamment sur les contrats stratégiques.

    Je pense que c'est de la poudre aux yeux, personnellement, mais je ne serais vraiment pas surpris que certains tentent une telle manoeuvre dans le contexte actuel de mise au ban international de la Russie.

    It is a noble idea you can save/buy someone by giving him money and rich contracts, if that someone doesnt want to be on your side at all and dont want to change his core. Serbia will never change and will never be NATO member or NATO friendly.
    Europe and West already have a huge negative score with their ideas in this region . Slovenia, Croatia, BiH , (Srebrenica, Vukovar are Mariupolj in 90's) and Kosovo felt it on their own skin.

     

    Good luck with that Europe and NATO, nothing learned from past

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  11. I think you dont get the real point of possible serbian Rafale deal .

    The point is - Serbia is not a NATO member , nor is NATO close partner, nor is NATO potential member and never wil be NATO
    In this moment Serbia is deep dark russian (and soon chines even more) hole in every aspect. Serbia exists on russian connections in every aspect, military, energetic, political, diplomatic, inteligence,...

    Another "bonus" is Vučić and whole gallery of rulling politician are Milosevics students wich never distanced of him and his politics of wars on Slovenia, Croatia, BiH and Kosova, genocide in Srebrenica...


    So what could go wrong with arm him with sophisticated western systems ?!?!
    You cannot save them of Russian influnce by sending them Rafales !

     

    This is Belgrade today https://www.politika.rs/sr/foto-galerija/339861/Besmrtni-puk


    Croatian MOD  said yesterday France and Croatia will discuss this soon in Paris

     

     

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  12. Hugues Pichevin, Cyril Arnaud and Florence Skrlj visited Croatian Ministry of Defence and discuss the Agreement update  !

    "During the working visit, they discussed the update of the Rafale technical agreement, the proposed schedule of bilateral cooperation, the dynamics of the arrival of fighter jets and the exchange of experiences in the field of training."

     

    https://www.morh.hr/radni-posjet-izaslanika-francuskog-zrakoplovstva-zapovjednistvu-hrz-a/

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