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des techniciens croates à Merignac dès aujourd'hui https://www.morh.hr/obuka-zrakoplovno-tehnickog-osoblja-u-francuskoj/

Quelque chose ne va pas avec cette image... photoshop ou tubes pour le spectacle. La galerie officielle de Manevri 2022 ne contient pas cette image. https://www.vs.rs/sr_lat/pretraga/rezultati-pretrage?search_month_from=&search_year_from=&search_month_to=&search_year_to=&s=manevri+2022&btn_submit= Exactement sur cet exercice, Vucici a dit que le Mistral était en retard.

Pas encore. C'est PASARS avec Igla i Strela MANPADS Les problèmes des Mistral ne sont pas accidentels. L'accord Rafale est loin d'être lancé malgré Belgrad

Non, ce n'est pas vrai. Je dis qu'il n'y a aucune logique à établir un équilibre entre les alliés de l'OTAN et les mandataires russes non OTAN ces jours-ci

J'aime les discussions de forum comme celle-ci afin que nous puissions échanger des opinions et des perspectives... à la fin, la politique et le profit consistent à décider de vendre ou non @Patrick, merci pour la suggestion, mais j'ai écrit sur l'anglais parce que j'ai eu une mauvaise expérience avec un traducteur en français ... OK, je vais écrire sur la France via un traducteur

merci Teenytoon and emixam...correct I dont want new war , I had enough of 5 years of serbian granates and bullets in my own house, city and country, dead bodies of friends.... I would be the happiest to have Serbia in NATO , far away from Milosevic legacy and russian interests. NATO had a very good reason to bomb Serbia, that was only way to stop Serbia wich started 4 wars in ex-Yu @g4lly My point, NATO Serbia can buy anything when enters NATO, and France have enough nonNATO countries out of Europe to sell Rafales. Of course, France have its own interests maybe not compatible with Croatian, but pespective is we are NATO alies, not Serbia wich doesn want to NATO ever at all. It is same as Polish could feel dangerous Putin decades ago and no one in West belived them. Same way we (Bosnia, kosovo, montenegro, Crroatia...) can feel dangereous russsian serbia wich france or sweden cant

that is some kind of idealistic idea...my point is the France should not take away the strategic advance of deterrence to croatia as NATO member just to balance Croatia with Serbia as non-NATO member wich doesnt want to be NATO member at all. As long as Serbia is nonNATO it should not be able to buy Rafale and similar technology, and as far as Sebia is nonNATO , NATO member Croatia must have advantage over Serbia. It is so clear and logical I think. if something happens in Balkans Croatia will be on first combat line with serb-russian shit again, in Bosnia, in Montenegro in Serbia... I would close this disscussion with this

at this very moment in MonteNegro is ongoing NATO-nonNATO drama directed from Belgrade on russian intructions with perspective to escalate. Croatia have sensitive border with MN. Same is preparing for Kosovo and it is ongoing process in serbian part of Bosnia to destroy the state and to attach it to a Serbia , only 100 km from Zagreb. For a weeks we have covert UAV operations from there over croatian army NATO facilities... and so on I understand you are not familiar with this russian-serbian hegemony covert and media-hybrid operations on other states as no one in europe was familiar in 90's except the victims of serbian Greate Serbia agression...or russian agression preps for Ukraina. You are to far to feel it or to deal with it what Serbia as russian proxy is preparing for years. https://warsawinstitute.org/russian-gru-agents-found-guilty-attempted-montenegro-coup/ Serbia in NATO must be first pre-condition to sell them western sophisticated technology, no NATO member should be naive these days and unloyal to a NATO alies bordering russian-chinese strong point. France have enough non-NATO customers out of Europe

You are looking too narrow, only to protect france/rafale technological advandatages. The picture is much wider if you sell rafale to Serbia. Serbia is not a NATO memmber and never will be, so it is not OK to Croatia - very active NATO member do such a deal behind her back. If so, France is killing one NATO member strategic advantage over never-nato country with deep contraversial russian-chinese strategic alliances with very concerning history and future imperislistic plans over Kosovo, Montenegro and BiH and russian plans for balkans. It should be analysed trough such NATO - nonNATO perspective , not only perspective how to protect the rafale techological platform.

no official details at this moment...the deal on MICA VL is set but not signed yet

update on croatie Mistral3 in 2023/24 MICA VL in 2026 cca 500 mil EUR

It could be the MICA VL, becouse of Rafale deal ...but now we have a new moment as European Sky Shield initiative wich does not involving France. And also stories on Rafale for serbia, and Macron's love for Serbia does not help

Croatian MoD yesterday confirmed buying french short range air defence system, not specified the details. Up to 5 systems batallions. Also confirmed in negotations with France to buy Mid-range AD system but paused in this moment to calculate how to fit into a new proclaimed EU integrated anti balistic air defence system. https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/banozic-najavio-nabavku-francuskog-protuzracnog-sustava-nakon-pada-drona-to-je-prioritet-15261278

Autor Eva Moysan from Belgrade...it is not the story comming from french sources, but directly from Belgrade , it is state agencies diplomatic marketing for building up Vucic's position ... fake story.

It is a noble idea you can save/buy someone by giving him money and rich contracts, if that someone doesnt want to be on your side at all and dont want to change his core. Serbia will never change and will never be NATO member or NATO friendly. Europe and West already have a huge negative score with their ideas in this region . Slovenia, Croatia, BiH , (Srebrenica, Vukovar are Mariupolj in 90's) and Kosovo felt it on their own skin. Good luck with that Europe and NATO, nothing learned from past

I think you dont get the real point of possible serbian Rafale deal . The point is - Serbia is not a NATO member , nor is NATO close partner, nor is NATO potential member and never wil be NATO In this moment Serbia is deep dark russian (and soon chines even more) hole in every aspect. Serbia exists on russian connections in every aspect, military, energetic, political, diplomatic, inteligence,... Another "bonus" is Vučić and whole gallery of rulling politician are Milosevics students wich never distanced of him and his politics of wars on Slovenia, Croatia, BiH and Kosova, genocide in Srebrenica... So what could go wrong with arm him with sophisticated western systems ?!?! You cannot save them of Russian influnce by sending them Rafales ! This is Belgrade today https://www.politika.rs/sr/foto-galerija/339861/Besmrtni-puk Croatian MOD said yesterday France and Croatia will discuss this soon in Paris

Hugues Pichevin, Cyril Arnaud and Florence Skrlj visited Croatian Ministry of Defence and discuss the Agreement update ! "During the working visit, they discussed the update of the Rafale technical agreement, the proposed schedule of bilateral cooperation, the dynamics of the arrival of fighter jets and the exchange of experiences in the field of training." https://www.morh.hr/radni-posjet-izaslanika-francuskog-zrakoplovstva-zapovjednistvu-hrz-a/

not yet any reactions in mainstream politics. As far as we know the Vučić and his goverment (all of them are Milošević political students) they do it just for domestic public to feel as some kind of regional superpower, to make croats mad and to see if they still have any credibility in NATO . If France decide to sell Rafale to Serbia, we would see it as some non-formal act of betreyal NATO partner, and you could hear some bad thnings for France from our President :-) , he is in the mood these days. And if we knew this before no Croatian Goverement would ever buy rafale, even if you give it for free This is the point about Serbia, and so on for centuries "Mi lažemo da bismo obmanuli sebe, da utešimo drugoga; lažemo iz samilosti, lažemo iz stida, da ohrabrimo, da sakrijemo svoju bedu, lažemo zbog poštenja. Lažemo zbog slobode. Laž je vid srpskog patriotizma i potvrda naše urođene inteligencije. Lažemo stvaralački, maštovito, inventivno" Dobriša Ćosić, Milošević's right hand during his war on Slovenia, Croatia, BiH and Kosova, and the father of moder serbian nationalism *** PS very bad google translation croatian-france... so I edited it on english

c'est un conflit politique entre le gouvernement et le président. Rien de plus et c'est tout. Le président veut affaiblir le gouvernement et toutes ses décisions pour renforcer la position de son ancien parti communiste pour arriver au pouvoir lors des prochaines élections. Soit dit en passant, tout son peuple, y compris le président, a salué l'accord Rafal il y a quelques mois. Soit dit en passant, en Croatie, nous pensons que le président n'est pas dans un bon état d'esprit, malheureusement

connaissant la politique serbe, rien n'est étrange. Pas de négociations, pas d'argent, c'est un ballon d'essai pour voir ce que pense le public du passage à l'Ouest pro-OTAN

c'est désormais fini à long terme avec l'alliance militaire russo-serbie. Vučić en est conscient et doit passer de toute urgence à la technologie occidentale. Je ne sais pas si la Serbie peut le financer, mais il faudra

Depuis des mois, les Serbes défilent dans les rues avec la lettre Z et les drapeaux russes... en Bosnie et en Serbie-et-Monténégro. deuxièmement, pourquoi les Serbes ne pourraient-ils pas obtenir l'AESA et les compteurs s'ils voulaient payer, et les Croates obtiendraient ... et vice versa ? L'affaire est complexe car la France entre finalement dans la base militaire russe et, plus important encore, la première base militaire chinoise en Europe à vendre des rafales à la Serbie. En Europe, la France doit rester concentrée exclusivement sur l'OTAN ! sinon, il se retrouvera dans une situation comme l'Allemagne Nord stream 2. il échouera à long terme et se créera de gros problèmes, et la Serbie ne sera jamais l'OTAN, et probablement l'UE s'en souviendra!

Les Croates sont aussi génocidaires que les Français, les Italiens ou les Finlandais... vous vous êtes lancé dans des débats fous, je suppose qu'en tant qu'administrateur vous pouvez vous le permettre. Quant aux sursauts serbes, la Croatie n'a officiellement rien contre elle, la Croatie la construit au sein de l'OTAN, et si la France veut entrer dans le ghetto sino-russe de Belgrade par des sursauts, c'est à la honte des Français anti-OTAN

Je ne pense pas que la Croatie demandera un avis. Si la France veut vendre des rafales, alors elle se passera de la Croatie. Mais c'est une erreur systémique de penser que la Serbie sera un jour une tête de pont pour la Russie / la Chine. Cela a été impossible pendant des décennies parce que la Serbie est la seule et solide base russo-chinoise en Europe, et en même temps, ils mentent à l'UE afin d'extraire le plus d'argent possible de l'UE naïve. La Serbie ne sera jamais l'UE ou l'OTAN, tout comme la Russie ne peut pas l'être. La Serbie ne joue pas la carte du faux non-alignement comme l'était Tito. L'Europe naïve finance tout cela parce qu'elle croit en la transformation de la Serbie Le nouveau conflit à venir en BiH / Kosovo / Monténégro montrera que. Vučić ne s'arme pas en vain, il a un but, j'espère que la France ne participera pas naïvement à ça

Chers amis, ceux qui n'ont pas travaillé avec les Serbes ne savent pas ce que sont les mensonges. La France est un pays trop sérieux pour trahir la Croatie en tant que membre de l'OTAN et entrer dans le désordre militaire russo-chinois qui règne en Serbie. deuxièmement, la France veut-elle dévoiler des rafales secrètes devant le FK-3 chinois et le Pantsir S1 russe ? Et ainsi dévaluer les rafales HR devant la défense aérienne serbe (sino-russe)? ________ Dear friends, those who have not worked with the Serbs do not know what lies are. France is too serious a country to betray Croatia as a member of NATO and enter into the Russian-Chinese military mess that reigns in Serbia. second, does France want to reveal Rafale secret in front of the Chinese FK-3 and the Russian Pantsir S1? And so devalue the CRO and NATO Rafale in front of the Serbian (Chino-Russian) air defense systems ? le Penn could do so, am affraid, but I hope not the Macron