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Avec l'Inde participant au PAK-FA, pas de risque d'y voir la Chine associée. D'ailleurs il n'y a plus eu de gros contrats d'armements signés avec la Chine depuis plusieurs années.

Après l'envoi de navire pour lutter contre les pirates, la Russie envoie maintenant 4 hélicos et 200 soldats pour participer à la mission de l'UE au Tchad Russia sends helicopters, peacekeepers to Chad MOSCOW, December 8 (RIA Novosti) - A Russian An-124 Condor heavy transport plane has delivered four helicopters along with personnel to Chad to take part in an EU-led mission to support UN peacekeeping efforts in the country, an Air Force spokesman said on Monday. Russia signed an agreement with the EU on November 5 on the deployment of a 200-strong peacekeeping contingent and four Mi-8MT helicopters in the Central African region for up to a year. "The An-124 plane delivered four Mi-8MT helicopters and over 30 personnel, including helicopter crews and technicians, who will soon begin assembling the aircraft," Col. Vladimir Drik said. According to Drik, the transport plane made an eight-hour non-stop flight from a military airfield in central Russia to the capital of Chad, Ndjamena, carrying over 40 tons of cargo. Russian transport planes have so far delivered over 200 tons of cargo, more than 80 personnel, five vehicles, and four helicopters as part of a Russian peacekeeping contingent in Chad. In addition, Russia already has a helicopter support group deployed in neighboring Sudan. The unit comprising 120 personnel and four Mi-8 helicopters provides transport and rescue services for UN military observers in Sudan. The foreign ministers of the 27 EU-member states approved in April a plan to send a peacekeeping mission to Chad and the Central African Republic, through five years of clashes between Chadian rebels and government troops trying to oust President Idriss Deby, who seized power in 1990. Over 700 people, including 400 civilians, were reported to have died in February this year following fighting triggered by a rebel assault on Ndjamena. The EUFOR contingent, comprising 3,700 personnel from 14 EU countries, began a year-long UN humanitarian mission in March to help protect the civilian population and provide humanitarian aid in the country's troubled eastern region. Chad gained independence from France in 1960. Since 2003, Chad and Sudan have accused each other of inciting conflict on their common border, which includes most of the troubled west Sudanese region of Darfur. http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081208/118749208.html

trop tard :lol: Et si je tiens à l'étoile rouge, c'est parce que c'est le symbole de l'armée russe depuis plus de 90ans et qu'il est immédiatement identifiable (c'est devenu une marque, c'est un peu comme si coca ou mac-do changeaient leur logo)...et puis que changer le nom de redstars pour whiteblueredstars, ça le fait pas trop!!! :lol:

J'attends de voir la loi définitivement adoptée et promulgée pour me prononcer, mais si sa passe pour de bon, ce sera vraiment d'une connerie sans nom!! =(

aucune idée, peut-être des lances leurres :-[ Sinon ce schéma montre une version présentée à l'export, et de plus il y manque la présence d'un vrai radar de veille aérienne.

allez, déterrage de fil pour un petit plaisir =D Russia test launches ICBM from White Sea, hits Kamchatka target MOSCOW, November 28 (RIA Novosti) - The Dmitry Donskoi Typhoon-class strategic nuclear-powered submarine has carried out another test launch of a Bulava intercontinental ballistic missile, a Defense Ministry source said on Friday. "The Bulava was launched from a submerged position in the White Sea toward a target located at the Kura test site on the Kamchatka Peninsula," the source said. He later said it had successfully engaged its designated target on the Kamchatka Peninsula about 6,700 kilometers (4,200 miles) east of Moscow. The previous test of the Bulava missile was carried out on September 18. Russia is planning to adopt new Bulava missiles for service with the Navy and commission the first Borey-class strategic nuclear submarine in 2009. The Bulava (SS-NX-30), developed by the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology, is designed for deployment on Borey-class Project 955 nuclear-powered submarines. The first submarine in the series, the Yury Dolgoruky, was built at the Sevmash shipyard in the northern Arkhangelsk Region and is currently undergoing sea trials. The submarine has a length of 170 meters (580 feet), a body diameter of around 13 meters (42 feet), and a submerged speed of about 29 knots. It will be equipped with 16 Bulava ballistic missiles, each carrying up to 10 nuclear warheads and having a range of 8,000 kilometers (5,000 miles). http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081128/118602949.html

Pour la 22350, la situation n'est pas très claire, il y a 2 hypothèses qui circulent. Sur les articles apparus notamment au début de la construction il est évoqué le système Uragan, un SA-N-7 grandement amélioré que ce soit au niveau du missile que des radars. Ce qui limite la portée du Shtil sur les Talwar indiennes c'est plus le radar que le missile. Voir l'article de 2006 plus bas (quand il y a des incertitudes je fais de la rétention d'article, c'est pour ça qu'il est pas sur le forum de redstars ;) ) Mais il y a pas mal de rumeurs maintenant comme quoi ce serait une version navalisée du S-400 qui équiperait le Gorshkov avec missiles 9M96, et qu'une version simplifiée serait installée sur le second exemplaire du projet 20380, expliquant l'écart entre la 1ere et la 2e unité (3ans)

pour le projet 22350 sa défense antiaérienne sera composée soit d'une version améliorée du sa-n-7 avec missiles en VLS et portée de 50 km environ soit de la version navalisée du S-400. Donc je ne pense pas qu'on puisse la considérer comme sous-armée sur ce plan là.

Les Su-33 décollant depuis le Kuz ne sont peut-être pas forcément si limité en poids Celui çi arrive à décoller depuis le PA à quai! à titre de comparaison combien peut emporter le Rafale en décollant du CdG à l'arrêt?

Enorme, la brochure vante les faibles nuisances sonores du Rafale. :lol: On est bien en Suisse =D

Tiens, est-ce qu'il parle pas des fois du Piotr Veliky qui doit rejoindre l'océan indien après son déploiement au Vénézuéla et y mener des exercices conjoints avec le croiseur Varyag? ça pourrait être marrant :lol: :lol:

Experts blame computer glitch for Russian nuclear sub death MOSCOW, November 19 (RIA Novosti) -- The deaths of 20 people on board the Nerpa nuclear submarine could have been caused by a computer glitch, not a crew member, a Russian daily reported on Wednesday. (INFOgraphic) The tragedy occurred late on November 8 while the Nerpa was undergoing sea trials in the Sea of Japan. Three submariners and 17 shipyard workers died in the accident. There were 208 people, 81 of them submariners, on board the vessel at the time. "We submariners are unanimous: a computer program failed. Previously, the submarine fire suppression system had always started manually on the commander's orders. Now it is launched electronically," Ensign Yevgeny Ovsyannikov, a technical specialist on the Nerpa, told Komsomolskaya Pravda. He added that it was the first time this computerized system had been used on the submarine during the sea trials and that the computer had malfunctioned during tests in the dock. An expert who requested anonymity suggested that a toxic form of Freon could have been used in the fire suppression system. "A toxic additive, trichlorotrifluoroethane [C2F3Cl3], was used. It is cheaper than pure Freon. Possibly, they simply wanted to economize," he said. He added that there were unmistakable signs of poisoning, which could not have been caused by Freon: "People were collapsing as though they had been shot." Breathing Freon is generally safe, but if the concentration in the air is high then suffocation can result. He said 46 people had been hospitalized, not 21 as officially announced. It was previously reported that the deaths were caused by a crew member activating the fire safety system without permission or by the wrong data being entered into the temperature sensor. Submariner Dmitry Grobov is suspected of having entered the wrong temperature data for the submarine's living quarters, which caused the fire suppression system to release the Freon gas. However, former Navy officers have said they doubt that Grobov was solely to blame since it is impossible for one person to activate the system, which is security protected from unauthorized activation by multiple authentication levels. The submarine's nuclear reactor was not affected by the accident, which took place in the nose section, and radiation levels on board remained normal. Investigators earlier announced that they had brought criminal charges against the crew member, and that he faced up to seven years in jail if found guilty. The incident is the worst for the Russian Navy since the sinking of the Kursk nuclear submarine in 2000 when all 118 sailors died. The construction of the Akula II class Nerpa nuclear attack submarine started in 1991, but was suspended for over a decade due to a lack of funding. Akula II class vessels are considered the quietest and deadliest of all Russian nuclear-powered attack submarines. Based in the Russian Far Eastern city of Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the Amur Shipyard has built 270 vessels, including the Nerpa and another 55 nuclear submarines since it was established in 1936. http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081119/118396437.html

Il sert maintenant comme drone cible pour S-300 en Russie =)

http://www.airforce.ru/show/shajkovka2008/index.html

video du haut à 2.36 http://www.irkut.com/en/gallery/video/su30mk/

les radars Bars des MKI n'étaient pas présents aux States

mais bien sur, il faudra lui expliquer que tous les Su et MiG sont équipés de dispositifs anti-FOD avec le bouchage des entrées d'air et l'utilisation de prises d'air auxiliaires. Et que c'était une doctrine soviétique que les avions puissent opérer à partir de pistes sommaires. Alors les affirmations sorties dans cette vidéo ça a pour moi la même crédibilité, ...nulle =)

p*tain c'est de la bonne ce qu'ils fument chez TTU :O je serai quand même très surpris s'ils acheteraient les plans du BPC (en acheter un construit en France est impensable) C'est loin d'être un équipement high-tech contrairement aux pods damocles ou caméras thermiques catherine FC. Des BPC, c'est a dire des portes hélicoptères avec radier sont quand même très répandus à travers le monde (Japon, Corée, Espagne, Italie, France, GB, USA, Chine) donc je pense que c'est aussi à la portée de la Russie. D'ailleurs elle a des navires de ce type (les Ivan Rogov, voir les Kiev), et construit l'Ivan Grey, avec moins d'hélicos c'est vrai. Ensuite plusieurs erreurs dans l'article de TTU Mouais ça dépend quoi, faut voir la taille et la résistance à l'eau de mer. Et le monopole de Kamov est déjà cassé car la marine russe veut l'ANSAT pour ses nouvelles corvettes pas besoin, les LCAC Lebed peuvent rentrer dans les Ivan Rogov (arrive pas à retrouver la photo) rhahh je viens de voir que l'article a aussi été publié sur redstars, c'est scandaleux, mais que fait le FSB pour remettre dans le droit chemin ces âmes dévoyées par le grand capital >:( :lol:

Voici la version export du JSF... http://gizmodo.com/5074207/guy-builds-f+35-fighter-jet-on-his-own :lol:

Article de la BBC affirmant que des preuves de crimes de guerre commis par les forces géorgiennes ont étés collectées, notamment par l'ONG Human Rights Watch (l'autre partie n'est pas blanche non plus). Le chiffre de 300 à 400 victimes civiles ossètes semble plausible. La citation du ministre britannique des affaires étrangères est assez intéressante, car pour lui ce qui est important c'est que la Russie ne doit pas pouvoir utiliser ceci pour justifier son intervention, et qu'il faut rester absolument dans l'idée de la guerre qui a été vendue en occident, à savoir les gentils géorgiens et les provocateurs ossètes. The BBC has discovered evidence that Georgia may have committed war crimes in its attack on its breakaway region of South Ossetia in August. Eyewitnesses have described how its tanks fired directly into an apartment block, and how civilians were shot at as they tried to escape the fighting. Research by the international investigative organisation Human Rights Watch also points to indiscriminate use of force by the Georgian military, and the possible deliberate targeting of civilians. Indiscriminate use of force is a violation of the Geneva Conventions, and serious violations are considered to be war crimes. The allegations are now raising concerns among Georgia's supporters in the West. British Foreign Secretary David Miliband has told the BBC the attack on South Ossetia was "reckless". He said he had raised the issue of possible Georgian war crimes with the government in Tbilisi. The evidence was gathered by the BBC on the first unrestricted visit to South Ossetia by a foreign news organisation since the conflict. Georgia's attempt to re-conquer the territory triggered a Russian invasion and the most serious crisis in relations between the Kremlin and the West since the Cold War. And Georgians themselves have suffered. We confirmed the systematic destruction of former Georgian villages inside South Ossetia. Some homes appear to have been not just burned by Ossetians, but also bulldozed by the territory's Russian-backed authorities. The war began when Georgia launched artillery attacks on targets in the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali, at about 2330 on 7 August 2008. Georgia said at the time that it was responding to increasing attacks on its own villages by South Ossetia militia, although it later said its action was provoked by an earlier Russian invasion. Eye-witness account Georgy Tadtayev, a 21-year-old dental student, was one of the Ossetian civilians killed during the fighting. His mother, Taya Sitnik, 45, a college lecturer, told the BBC he bled to death in her arms on the morning of 9 August after a fragment from a Georgian tank shell hit him in the throat as they were both sheltering from artillery fire in the basement of her block of flats. Mrs Sitnik said she subsequently saw the tank positioned a few metres from the building, firing shells into every floor. Extensive damage to the five-storey block appeared consistent with her version of events. She said she and her son were watching television when the Georgian attack began. "They started firing not from rifles, but from heavy weapons. Shells were exploding." "We jumped up straight away, switched off the lights and ran down to the cellar." "And we sat here on boxes. We thought it would end, but the firing got heavier and heavier," she added. "They went on firing all the next day without stopping. At some point there was a pause, and we saw Georgian soldiers going along the street in their Nato uniforms," according to Mrs Sitnik. "Then they started firing again, even more heavily. The Grad rockets were coming over all the time." "How can you trust those people now? What possible friendship can there be? Let them all be cursed, cursed for the deaths of our children." Neighbours said another resident of the block, Khazbi Gagloyev, also died of wounds received during the attacks. 'Basements targeted' The Russian prosecutor's office is investigating more than 300 possible cases of civilians killed by the Georgian military. Some of those may be Ossetian paramilitaries, but Human Rights Watch believes the figure of 300-400 civilians is a "useful starting point". That would represent more than 1% of the population of Tskhinvali - the equivalent of 70,000 deaths in London. Allison Gill, director of the Moscow office of Human Rights Watch, said: "We're very concerned at the use of indiscriminate force by the Georgian military in Tskhinvali. "Tskhinvali is a densely populated city and as such military action needs to be very careful that it doesn't endanger civilians." "We know that in the early stages there were tank attacks and Grad rockets used by Georgian forces," she added. "Grad rockets cannot be used in densely populated areas because they cannot be precisely targeted, and as such they are inherently indiscriminate. "Our researchers were on the ground in Tskhinvali as early as 12 August. "And we gained evidence and witness testimony of Grad rocket attacks and tank attacks on apartment buildings, including tank attacks that shot at the basement level. "And basements are typically areas where civilians will hide for their own protection. "So all of this points to the misuse, the inappropriate use of force by Georgia against civilian targets," according to Alison Gill. Human Rights Watch will talk only of the "possible" deliberate targeting by Georgian forces of individual civilians, a still more serious charge, though some Ossetians the BBC spoke to in Tskhinvali claim to have witnessed such cases. Wreckage Marina Kochieva, a doctor at Tskhinvali's main hospital, says she herself was targeted by a Georgian tank as she and three relatives were trying to escape by car from the town on the night of 9 August. She says the tank fired on her car and two other vehicles, forcing them to crash into a ditch. The firing continued as she and her companions lay on the ground. She showed the BBC the burnt-out wreckage of the car on the town's ring-road, riddled with bullet holes and with a much larger hole, apparently from a tank round, in the front passenger door. Ms Kochieva says a nurse from her hospital was killed while fleeing Tskhinvali in similar circumstances. She says she counted 18 burnt-out cars on the ring-road on 13 August, at the end of the war, suggesting there may have been more casualties. Asked if, at night, Georgian soldiers might not have suspected her car of carrying Ossetian fighters, Ms Kochieva said: "Fighters wouldn't have gone away from town, they would have gone towards town. We were escaping like other refugees. "The Georgians knew this was the 'Road of Life' for Ossetians. They were sitting here waiting to kill us," she said. Georgia's Foreign Minister Eka Tkeshelashvili told the BBC, "I can firmly say that the Georgian military, on intention, never attacked directly any civilian object. "On the surface, the damage to some of the houses in Tskhinvali that can be observed might lead to this conclusion. But to see if some is damage inflicted by direct targeting, for that an in-depth military assessment needs to be done. "I think the best response is a fully-fledged independent, impartial international inquiry into the issue," she added. Her British counterpart David Miliband, who visited Georgia immediately after the war to show solidarity with its government, said he took the allegations of war crimes "extremely seriously" and had raised them "at the highest level" in Tbilisi. Apparently hardening his language towards Georgia, he called its actions "reckless". But he added: "The Russian response was reckless and wrong". "It's important that the Russian narrative cannot start with Georgian actions; it has to start with the attacks on the Georgians from the South Ossetians and that is the tit-for-tat that got out of control," he said. Revenge The BBC saw evidence of the cycle of revenge since the war, with the demolition of most houses in the former ethnic Georgian villages on the northern outskirts of Tskhinvali. The houses, whose occupants fled during the war to other parts of Georgia, were burnt by Ossetians immediately after the fighting. They are now expected to be replaced by a brand-new housing complex with a cinema and sports facilities to be financed by the city of Moscow. Zaur Gagloyev, a 20-year-old former law student, now unemployed, claimed he was one of those responsible for the burning. "There were so many provocations in these villages by Georgians," he said. "For example, they were taking Ossetians as hostages and that's why I feel so angry." Mr Gagloyev added: "If you want an advice on how to burn a house, just set light to a curtain and the whole house will catch fire." Asked if he was guilty of ethnic cleansing, he replied, "No, it wasn't ethnic cleansing. "No-one was killed there. We just let them go from our land. I don't know whether they will return or not," he added. "But I did everything I could for them not to return. Never. You can call it ethnic cleaning, but I think I just did it to prevent a future war," he said. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7692751.stm

Est-ce que les russes pratiquent eux aussi la démagnétisation des coques? Je ne me souvient pas avoir vu de telles installations chez eux.

Réservez tous la période du 5 au 8 novembre sur vos agendas!! =D avec un peu de chance je vais pouvoir y aller 8)

ça y est on a la date de passage du Pyotr!

en haut à gauche je ne vois rien... et en haut à droite la coque est peinte en noir, il n'y a aps d'ascenceur là

Le journaliste n'a du avoir jusque là que la Seine pour seul horizon! :lol: Ferait bien de faire un ptit tour en Atlantique :P