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La marine thaïlandaise s’intéresse à la formation de ses sous-mariniers

Des officiers de marine thaïlandais pourraient être envoyés en Chine, pour y recevoir une formation aux sous-marins, indique une source du ministère de la défense.

Le ministre de la défense, ACM Sukumpol Suwanatat, a proposé que des officiers de marine reçoivent en Chine une formation de base sur les sous-marins.

ACM Sukumpol et des responsables des forces armées ont visité pendant le week-end l’école sous-marine de Qingdao. Ils estiment que proposer une formation aux officiers de marine serait une bonne idée.

Ils ont visité des sous-marins Type 039, classe Song.

Les officiers envoyés en Chine, devront d’abord apprendre le Chinois.

La source a indiqué que la formation ne devrait pas être interprété comme un signe d’intérêt pour l’achat de sous-marins chinois.

Le ministère de la défense a récemment abandonné un projet d’acheter 6 sous-marins d’occasion allemands. Ce projet n’a pas obtenu l’approbation du gouvernement avant l’échéance du 29 février fixée par Berlin.

ACM Sukumpol a indiqué que les sous-marins de la classe Song qu’il avait visité avait un intérieur plutôt plein à craquer, mais qu’il est moderne sur le plan technologique.

Il a ajouté que le ministère souhaitait toujours acheter des sous-marins, et qu’il réunit actuellement des informations sur les éventuels candidats.

La marine va étudier les sous-marins en service en Europe, Corée du Sud et à Singapour.

ACM Sukumpol a souligné que le ministère n’avait pas décidé si les sous-marins achetés seraient neufs ou d’occasion.

Le chef de la marine, Surasak Roonroengrom, a indiqué que la marine ne pouvait pas acheter des sous-marins neufs, parce qu’ils sont trop chers.

« J’ai peur que les chances que la marine reçoive des sous-marins, n’aient diminué, » a-t-il indiqué, faisant référence à l’échec de l’accord avec l’Allemagne.

http://www.corlobe.tk/article28728.html

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Le gouvernement thaïlandais autorise l’achat de 2 frégates

Le gouvernement thaïlandais a approuvé l’achat de 2 frégates ultra-modernes dans un délai de 5 ans.

Selon une source, la marine thaïlandaise a demandé des frégates après que le gouvernement ait rejeté l’achat de sous-marins à l’Allemagne. Le fournisseur n’a pas encore été choisi.

Selon la source, des chantiers allemands ou espagnols seraient privilégiés pour fournir ces frégates.

Cependant, certains amiraux sont inquiets que des politiciens puissent faire pression pour l’achat de bâtiments d’origine chinoise.

http://www.corlobe.tk/article30355.html

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La marine thaïlandaise est en discussion avec la Chine pour l'acquisition de 3 frégates de Type 054T, incluant 6 hélicoptères ASW de type Z-9EC.

Pas plus d'information pour le moment.

Affaire à suivre...

Henri K.

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Les Thaïs ont soutenus les US afin de s'en sortir face aux communistes et après avoir soutenu les japonais afin de préserver leur indépendance. Les Thaïs en question ont payés le prix fort après la guerre du Viet Nam, notamment en termes économiques (me semble que l'économie de la prostitution a pris cette ampleur là à cette époque). Ils pourraient tout simplement être en train de rééquilibrer la balance sans forcément verser pro chinois qui ont un passif à leur endroit (notamment la campagne thaï dans le Yunnan je crois, dans les années 40...).

Et vu comment le gouvernement chinois remet l'histoire sur la table face aux japonais (avec des raisons légitimes) certains voisins devraient rester sur leurs gardes.

Les coréens doivent probablement vendre trop cher...

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Les Thaïs s'achètent aussi une assurance. Ils ne peuvent pas s'aliéner leur voisin chinois, d'autant que de nombreux Chinois ou membres de la diaspora chinoise vivent en Thaïlande.

En fait, ils mangent à tous les rateliers, et ça leur permet de ne léser personne.

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D'une autre raison purement militaire, les Thaïlandais ont déjà acheté chinois - blindés, navires de guerre, missiles...etc, et ills en sont contents.

Je dirais que c'est dans la continuité des choses.

Henri K.

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En fait, ils mangent à tous les rateliers, et ça leur permet de ne léser personne.

Ce qui est dans la continuité depuis l'arrivée des occidentaux ou presque.

Ils ont acquis quoi d'autre HK ?

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Ce qui est dans la continuité depuis l'arrivée des occidentaux ou presque.

Ils ont acquis quoi d'autre HK ?

Un tas de choses, de mémoire -

* VBCI de Type 85

* Blindé de Type 89 (YW-534)

* Char de Type 69-II et Type 96, ils négocient l'acquisition de Type 99 actuellement

* Canon calibre 130mm de Type 59-I

* 2 frégates de F-25T

* Frégates de Type 053 (je ne sais plus combien...)

* Missile anti-navire C-801 et C-802

* Conception indigène de MRLS DTI-1 à l'aide de ToT chinois issue de technologie de WS-1B

* VBCI de type WMZ-551B

Il y a d'autres mais je ne me rappelle plus trop...

Henri K.

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Le gros ravitailleur de la marine thai est chinois aussi ..

une idée sur ce Type054T ?

Les choses se compliquent...

http://www.janes.com/products/janes/defence-security-report.aspx?ID=1065975680

Thai frigate competition among potential Lockheed Martin deals for ships, helos in Asia

By Marina Malenic.

1/29/2013

Lockheed Martin is considering offering its Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) in response to a request for proposals (RfP) from the Royal Thai Navy (RTN) for a frigate, the US-headquarted group confirmed on 25 January."

The Thai ** finally approved funding of up to USD1 billion in September 2012 to procure two modern frigates over the coming years. The requirement had previously been put on hold for more than a decade due to funding issues. ** support finally came as a result of economic expansion and the need to enhance the combat capability of the RTN.

Confirmation of Lockheed Martin's interest in the programme came from Doug Laurendeau, business development director of the company's ship and aviation systems unit. It is one of a number of opportunities that Lockheed Martin is pursuing in the Asia-Pacific region, he said.

Lockheed Martin would be likely to face competition to meet the Thai frigate requirement from South Korea and Germany. Platforms known to be under consideration include the DW3000H frigate design from South Korea's Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) and the MEKO platform of Germany's ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems.

Henri K.

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Publication de Jane's, à consommer avec modération...

China offers Type 054 to meet Thai frigate requirement

Jon Grevatt

  Bangkok

Key Points

    Thailand considers purchase of three Chinese Type 054-class frigates

    German, American, and South Korean solutions are also understood to be in the running

    Royal Thai Navy outlines requirement for "quality not quantity"

China has offered Thailand its Type 054-class Jiangkai frigate to meet a requirement to procure multipurpose frigates for the Royal Thai Navy (RTN), thus potentially putting Beijing and Washington head to head in a large-scale international procurement programme.

Sources have confirmed to IHS Jane's that preliminary discussions between Thailand and China have commenced over the potential deal, in which China has said it is prepared to sell to the RTN three Type 054-class vessels at a cost that will meet the programme's budget of USD1 billion.

While the RTN is said to favour a purchase of a US, European, or South Korean platform, the potential deal to procure from China is being led by the government, which views the Type 054-class as a cost-effective alternative to Western vessels. Additionally, logistical arrangements would favour China given that Thailand already operates a number of Chinese naval platforms.

Lockheed Martin of the US has already confirmed that it is considering offering its Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) as a solution.

A deal to procure the Type 054-class vessel would include technology transfer to enable maintenance, repair, and overhaul and to locally produce unspecified components under licence from Type 054-class designer and constructor Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding, a subsidiary of the China State Shipbuilding Corporation.

The deal is known to have been a feature of talks between defence officials during Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao's state visit to Bangkok in November 2012. The Type 054-class frigate displaces around 4,000 tonnes, is about 135 m in length, and entered service with China's People's Liberation Army Navy in the mid-2000s.

China-Thailand ties

The move by Bangkok to procure the Type 054 class from China represents a continuation of close defence and naval trade ties between the two countries. In the 1990s Thailand procured two Naresuan-class frigates (a version of the Type 053-class frigates) from Hudong-Zhonghua and in 2005 took delivery of two Pattani-class offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) from the same constructor.

Additionally, under a deal finalised in 2008, Chinese designs and technologies are underpinning Thailand's efforts to indigenously develop and produce guided and unguided multiple-launch rocket systems. China's North Industries Corporation (Norinco) has also delivered hundreds of armoured personnel carriers to the Royal Thai Army since the 1980s.

Frigate requirements

Despite these close ties and the level of logistical commonality that a Type 054-class purchase might offer Thailand, IHS Jane's understands that the RTN is keen on purchasing the frigate platform from the United States, Europe, or South Korea. The RTN is also known to have a requirement for two multipurpose frigates, not three.

In line with the RTN's requirements, the new frigate platform is required to be operational in a naval service, be operational in Sea State 5, support a 10-tonne helicopter, and feature a combined diesel and/or gas turbine propulsion system for a maximum speed of not less than 25 kt. Armament will include surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, as well as a 76 mm gun, small-calibre guns, and close-in weapon systems.

Thailand recently dispatched the Request for Proposals (RfPs) in support of the frigate purchase. Companies understood to have been approached by the RTN include Hudong-Zhonghua; Lockheed Martin, which is expected to offer its LCS; South Korea's Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering, which will offer its DW3000H design; and Germany's ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, which is expected to offer its MEKO platform.

A source from the RTN said: "This project is very clear. The RTN requires two new modern frigates. This means frigates that have never been used before, and this means that cheaper options might not be the right choice for Thailand. The priority must be quality not quantity ... but the purchase is still being discussed by our procurement committee."

Diplomatic pressure

The source also indicated that the RTN would prefer a purchase supported by the US Navy under the US Foreign Military Sales mechanism, which would appear to put Lockheed Martin's LCS in a favoured position.

He said: "We are still working towards this purchase but we must remember that we have a very special offer from our allies, the US Navy [uSN]. We have a long-time friendship with the US." He added: "Our first priority is quality. Secondly, there must be technology transfer to Thailand ... The USN is a main candidate because we know if we want quality, we can go to the US."

Another factor that is likely to play a role in Thailand's decision on the frigate purchase is diplomatic engagement and political pressure from bidding countries. In this respect it is notable that Bangkok, which has traditionally been careful to balance its relations between Beijing and Washington, received in November 2012 - just two months after Thailand's frigate programme was revealed - US State Secretary Hillary Clinton and then US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, as well as Wen Jiabao. The RTN source noted: "The competition to sell these frigates is very hard. The prime minister of China came to Thailand and at about the same time high-ranking members of the US government also came here."

It is also possible that any RTN decision to procure the vessels could be overruled by the government before a decision is announced later in 2013 or early 2014. In this regard there is precedence. In the early 2000s the RTN decided, following an international RfP process, to procure two OPVs from local shipbuilders, using an RTN design. This decision, however, was overruled at the time by the Thai government, which opted for the Hudong-Zhonghua-built Pattani-class OPVs.

Copyright © IHS Global Limited, 2013

Henri K.

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Korea to build Thai navy frigate

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/346242/s-korea-to-build-thai-navy-frigate

Published: 21 Apr 2013 at 00.00

Newspaper section: News

The Royal Thai Navy has chosen a South Korean naval ship manufacturer to build a new frigate that will cost about 13 billion baht.

An RTN selection committee announced on Friday it had chosen Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering to manufacture the frigate, a navy source said.

The company was one of the last two South Korean firms to enter the final round of the bid organised by the RTN panel.

The other three foreign firms ousted from the previous rounds were from Spain, Italy and China.

RTN chief of staff Chakchai Phucharoenyot, who chaired the panel, said Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering was selected because it had proposed specifications for the frigate that were in line with the navy's demands.

The navy also asked the company to manufacture a Combat Management System (CMS) which can be allied to the systems installed in the frigates HTMS Naresuan and HTMS Taksin, he said.

The frigate, which will be the first South Korean-manufactured navy ship in Thailand, is expected to be commissioned in two years' time, Adm Chakchai said.

The new frigate will have a displacement of between 3,000 and 4,000 tonnes.

The cabinet earlier approved the RTN's procurement of two frigates with a budget of 30 billion baht. The frigates will be considered for manufacturing one by one.

According to the navy source, the RTN preferred European frigates but they were too expensive.

Meanwhile, a Defence Ministry source revealed that Defence Minister Sukumpol Suwanatat will lead military top brass on a visit to Russia between Tuesday and next Monday to bolster military ties.

Thai delegates will inspect the armaments industry in Russia, the source said.

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Le 4 Février, la marine thaïlandaise effectue la transformation de leur frégate HTMS Naresuan en y installant un module VLS américain Mk41 de 8 cellules.

 

Le gouvernement américain avait confirmé en Août 2012 que les Thaïlandais souhaitaient acquérir 9 missiles ESSM, les équipements associés, les pièces attachées, la formation et le support SAV pour 18M$. La demande a été approuvé le 14 Janvier 2013 par les Américains.

 

HTMS Naresuan pourrait amener jusqu'aux 32 missiles ESSM (8 cellules x 4 missiles par cellule).

 

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La Chine aurait gagné un contrat d'exportation des sous-marins diesel à la marine Thaïlandaise, qui porte sur 3 sous-marins SSK à un prix unitaire de 360 millions USD, selon la presse locale. Un comité de 17 membres a d'abord éliminé les propositions des constructeurs russe, suède et français, et a choisi la proposition chinoise au détriment des sous-marins allemands et sud coréens.

Chinese win bid to supply subs to navy

26 Jun 2015 at 03:29

NEWSPAPER SECTION: NEWS | WRITER: WASSANA NANUAM

The navy has picked Chinese submarines costing 12 billion baht each to be commissioned in the force, a source on the procurement committee says. The majority of the 17-strong committee voted to buy three...

The source said China beat other competitors as it offered subs equipped with superior weaponry and technology. Its subs are also able to stay underwater longer.

Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Prawit Wongsuwon backs the submarine project, citing a growing territorial threat and an increasing number of maritime missions. He said many neighbouring countries are also deploying submarines.

Gen Prawit said he would forward to the cabinet the navy's submarine procurement decision once it becomes available.

Before the procurement panel made its decision, Gen Prawit was quoted by a navy source as saying that if the submarines were not bought by the current government, the navy might not have the chance to get them again.

In 2011, the navy looked into the purchase of six German-made submarines at a cost of 7.7 billion baht.

However, the project was rejected by the then Yingluck Shinawatra government.

The navy revived the submarine project after the May 22 military coup last year amid speculation that China would win the deal to build and supply subs to Thailand, given the military government's strengthening relations with Beijing.

The government earlier gave the navy 200 million baht to study the feasibility of buying the submarines and gather information on a proposed procurement.

A member of the navy procurement panel noted the Chinese have advanced rapidly in the development of armaments.

Un autre article datant du 25 Juin.

Navy's B36bn sub purchase plan firms up

25 Jun 2015 at 03:29

NEWSPAPER SECTION: NEWS | WRITER: WASSANA NANUAM

Within a matter of weeks, the navy will know if its dreams of having submarines of its own will become a reality.

A source in the navy said a committee working on a plan to buy submarines has finalised its option - it's likely to go for the Chinese-made submarines - and will submit the proposal to the cabinet for approval next month.

This is the navy's second bid under the leadership of Adm Kraisorn Jansuwanit to gain the nod for its submarine plan.

The first attempt, in April, was aborted by Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha who ordered the navy to conduct more studies.

Initially, Gen Prayut's decision disheartened the navy. But Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Prawit Wongsuwon, who had encouraged the navy to dust off the plan after it was rejected by the Yingluck government in 2011, maintained his support. That kept the navy's hopes alive.

Gen Prawit reportedly told the navy that if it could not get the submarines when a junta government is in power, "there would be no chance of getting them at all".

Gen Prayut said the navy needed to conduct a comprehensive study of the plan because, given the size of the budget, an impressive 36 billion baht, it had to be able to answer every question posed by the public.

The government gave a generous 200 million baht to the navy for the study. The committee members have visited the six countries that showed an interest in manufacturing the submarines for Thailand, namely China, South Korea, Russia, France, Germany and Sweden.

Navy commander Adm Kraison transferred Adm Narongpol Na Bangchang, an expert on submarines, from the Royal Thai Armed Forces back to the navy to work on the proposal.

The transfer of such a senior officer in a mid-year reshuffle is rare. It cast the spotlight on Adm Narongpol as many believe the officer, who is now assistant to the navy commander, may emerge as a candidate for the top navy job in the next transfer that will take place in September.

Some say the decision to go for the Chinese submarines is driven partly by the junta government's desire to forge closer relations with Beijing following the May 22 coup that spurred Western countries including the US to give the cold shoulder to Thailand.

Cabinet ministers, including Gen Prawit and senior army men, have exchanged visits with their Chinese counterparts.

China says it wants to strengthen military ties with Thailand, with regular military exercises, as well as arms deals and other military assistance.

The 36-billion-baht budget covers two submarines, as well as maintenance and training of the navy's personnel. Some reports say China has offered special, undisclosed packages to win the deal.

Sources in the navy said there are two short-listed countries. China is the No.1 option, followed by South Korea.

Adm Narongpol, who spoke in his capacity as head of the navy committee, said the purchase would be good for the national economy.

Another source in the navy dismissed concerns that Chinese-made submarines may not be reliable.

"We choose the best for the country. The submarines we buy must be suitable. We are concerned about the safety of our men. The committee's reputation will suffer if it makes the wrong choice," said a panel source.

A committee member who declined to be named said the Chinese-made subs are the cheapest and good quality.

He insisted the committee looked at the whole package in making its decision as China also offered military technology transfer and training. Other countries would charge more for a similar package.

"We should not look down on Chinese submarines," a committee member said, adding China has made progress in arms research and development.

He likened the submarine deal to car buying. "If we are able to buy a Mercedes but have no money left for petrol, we should look at a top model Toyota instead, which would still leave some money for petrol."

Despite doubts about the country's need for submarines, authorities insist the navy needs to strengthen its capacity to deal with maritime threats in this region and other issues that need naval protection, including the advent of the Asean Economic Community, the Dawei deep-sea port project, and the South China Sea disputes.

"This will change the face of the navy which will upgrade its performance in line with international standards," said the source.

If the chosen submarines are from China, navy personnel are likely to join military exercises with the Chinese navy to improve their skills. This will add to the traditional naval exercises which the navy already holds with the US.

In time, Prime Minister Prayut will decide if the navy can fulfil its 36-billion-baht dreams.

Henri K.

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Un peu plus de détails sur l'acquisition de 3 sous-marins diesels chinois par la marine Thaïlandaise : Le modèle proposé par les Chinois est le S-26T, à un prix unitaire de 355 millions USD (12 milliards Baht). La proposition chinoise comprend la coque et les équipements, les armements et l'entrainement, ainsi que le transfert des technologies.

Les principaux concurrents étaient la classe Chang Bogo de la Corée du Sud, dérivée du Type 209-1200 allemand et proposé à un prix unitaire de 330 millions USD, et le Type 209-1400 allemand à un prix unitaire de 290 millions USD.

3 autres propositions avaient été éliminées avant, qui viennent de la Russie, la Suède et la France.

Le prix n'a pas été le facteur majeur dans le choix, selon les sources thaïlandaises. Une meilleure proposition au niveau des technologies et des armements, et une autonomie accrue, sont les principales raisons du choix chinois, d'après la marine thaïlandaise.

Henri K.

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La marine royale thaïlandaise vient de rendre public un livre blanc de 9 pages détaillant la raison de l'acquisition de 3 sous-marins SSK chinois de type S-26T, pour 36 milliards de Baht, soit un peu plus d'1 milliard USD.

En résumé -

1 ) La Chine propose 3 SSK pour ce prix, alors que les autres pays n'en proposent que 2.

2 ) Les SSK chinois seront équipés de l'AIP, qui assure une autonomie sous l'eau de 21 jours.

3 ) Le package chinois comprend 8 ans de la maintenance & pièces, plus 2 ans de garantie. Les autres pays n'en proposent que 1 an.

4 ) La Chine propose d'entraîner les équipages thaï pendant 3 ans.

5 ) La Chine assure le ToT.

6 ) S-26T est en double-coque.

7 ) Les SSK seront admis au service actif dans 7 à 10 ans.

8 ) Le Thaïlande pourra payer par tranche, entre 7 à 10 ans.

9 ) La Chine propose les meilleurs armements.

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Navy argues subs protect seas

31 Jul 2015 at 03:28

NEWSPAPER SECTION: NEWS | WRITER: WASSANA NANUAM

The navy has launched a nine-page white paper on the urgent need to purchase submarines to safeguard lucrative national maritime interests and maintain security during maritime conflicts.

Critics earlier this month condemned the navy's proposal to spend roughly 36 billion baht on Chinese submarines. The white paper, ordered by Deputy Prime Minister Prawit Wongsuwon, appears to be an attempt to drum up public support for the submarines.

Although Thailand will not use the submarines to wage war, other countries' perception is critical, according to assistant navy commander Adm Narongphon Na Bang Chang. "We want other countries to be in awe of us and recognise our potential to take care of the sea," he said.

The proposal has come under fire as Thailand is not involved in territorial conflicts at sea and the Gulf has relatively shallow water levels.

Sceptics were outraged that authorities had agreed to spend 36 billion baht on three S26T Chinese submarines.

Nobody can guarantee if or when a maritime conflict will escalate, the white paper says. "The conflicts, no matter where they take place, will directly affect sea transport."

For example, the South China Sea dispute between China, the Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam and Taiwan is likely to affect sea transport and Thailand must be ready for it, said Adm Narongphon.

Submarines, which can avoid detection and launch attacks from underwater to hit land and sea targets, could protect Thailand's 24-trillion-baht marine assets, which include natural resources, freight shipments, coastal industries and tourist destinations. Even though the Gulf of Thailand is only 50 metres deep, this will not hinder submarine operations because planes cannot see below 20 metres, said Adm Narongphon.

The paper insists Thailand needs to build a new "territorial fence" by reinforcing its military with submarines to protect the 15,000 vessels which travel to and from the Gulf annually. Even if Thailand buys the subs this year, it will be between seven to 10 years before they are operational.

The Chinese offer includes eight years of spare parts and a three-year personnel training course.

The subs are equipped with air-independent propulsion, which allows the subs to stay underwater for up to 21 days, the white paper says.

Singapore, Vietnam, Malaysia and Indonesia all have submarines and Thailand is lagging behind, the paper says.

"China is offering us a good package," said Adm Narongphon.

Henri K.

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S26T : la marine thaïlandaise justifie l'achat des 3 sous-marins AIP chinois

2017-05-04-S26T-la-marine-tha%C3%AFlanda

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La marine thaïlandaise a tenu une conférence de presse à bord de son porte-aéronefs pour justifier l'achat des 3 sous-marins AIP S26T d'origine chinoise.

Read more : http://www.eastpendulum.com/s26t-la-marine-thailandaise-justifie-lachat-des-3-sous-marins-aip-chinois

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