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Mon chere moumou, crois moi faut aps te prendre la tete avec cette personne ;) Ya qu'a voir ce qu'il a dit sur la guerre des sable avec son bouquin à la noix :lol: Je te consil de suivre mon exemple et de continué a posté suivant le theme cité et non en suivant ce que veux faire l'autre là en haut ;)

En plus t'imagine un peu!! l'Algérie en 1963 qui n'avait pas d'armée, pas un seul char essayé d'envahir le Maroc! et jusqu'a preuve du contraire, quel est le seul pays en afrique du nord a avoir des probleme avec tous ses voisins!???!!!!! Le Maroc biensure(Espagne, Algérie, RASD, Mauritanie, Niger et Senegal) Un jour ils diront aux poissons de l'Ocean que c'etait une terre il ya de celà quelques millénaire et qu'ils faut se barré de leurs terre!.................Oups :oops: Mer :lol:

Sinon pour la presse je sais ce qu'elle dit et j'ai jamais dit qu'elle ne parle pas de ton pays, je te le dit d'une autre maniére: "amuse toi en important tous ce que tu trouve sur notre presses :lol: quite a polué ce post)! :lol:

Sinon le SU-30MKI, le Mig-29SMT c'est pour ........ :lol:

J'espere moumou que tu suivras mon exemple et de laissé cet ettincelle s'etteindre toute seule ;)

bah... merci d'insulter le Maroc ;)

sinon je vois que le h-s est maitre ici!!!

bon tchat les gens ;)

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Mais non Toons, le Maroc dont tu parle toi n'est pas le meme que celui de Lispmachin ;) T'as toujour eux des echanges vifs avec moi, mais je t'es jamais manqué de respect ni à toi ni à ton pays non? Alors nuances STP ;) Sinon ce que j'ai dit n'est pas si mechant que ça :lol:

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Voici un article intéressant du journal "The Hindu" relatif aux acquisitions algériennes :

Russia-Algeria defence deal may benefit India

MOSCOW: India may get a share of a multi-billion defence package Russia has sealed with Algeria for the supply of combat aircraft, defence industry sources said.

Russian aircraft manufacturers may source from India some key components for a large batch of jet fighters Algeria is buying from Russia, the sources said.

Under a record $7.5-billion defence package announced during Russian President Vladimir Putin's visit to Algiers on Friday, Russia will supply 28 Su-30 multi-role, long-range fighter planes, 49 multi-role MiG-29SMT fighters, 20 Yak-130 advanced jet trainers, as well as air-defence systems and tanks.

``Algeria wants its Su-30 to closely match the Su-30MKI version India has procured from Russia,'' the sources told The Hindu. ``The Su-30MKI has some Indian-made avionics and other parts, therefore Indian companies may be contracted to supply the same components for Algeria.''

India, which is building 140 Su-30MKI under Russian licence, is also involved in the manufacture of avionics and airframe parts for Su-30MKM jets Malaysia has purchased from Russia.

Russian experts said the Algerian contacts are improving Russia's chances of winning the tender for the supply of 126 multi-role combat aircraft to the IAF.

Russia has fielded its latest MiG-35 fighter plane in the Indian tender.

``The contract for the supply of four dozen MiG-29SMT planes to Algeria has propelled the MiG corporation to the top position among Russia's aircraft manufacturers and has sharply consolidated the company's financial standing ahead of the Indian tender,'' said Mr. Dmitry Vasiliev of the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

The MiG-35 (export name of the MiG-29M/M2 version), powered by an innovative thrust vectoring engine, RD-33OVT, will compete for the Indian contract against Lockheed Martin's F16, and SAAB's Gripen.

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Algerian Arms Deal Brings Russia $7.5 billion, Gas Market Leverage

Posted 15-Mar-2006 10:40

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Yak-130

(click to view full)In an earlier February 1, 2006 report, DID noted that a $4 billion arms sale was brewing between Algeria and Russia involving fighter aircraft, tanks, and air defense systems, with the possibility of additional equipment. Those options would appear to have come through, as numerous sources are now reporting that a high-level Russian delegation in Algeria has closed $7.5 billion worth of arms contracts. The Algerian package would be post-Soviet Russia's largest ever single arms deal, and compares to annual Russian weapons exports to all customers of $5-6 billion per year over the last couple of years.

T-90 tank

(click to view full)Reuters South Africa quotes Rosoboronexport chief Sergei Chemezov as saying that "Practically all types of arms which we have are included, anti-missile systems, aviation, sea and land technology." Reports regarding the exact composition of the deal vary, and many don't add up when measured against a $7.5 billion total. DID has found a package composition report that seems closer to the mark based on the package's value, and the structure of the deal itself is highly consequential and so worth discussing. We'll conclude with an updated note regarding Algeria's past pattern of arms acquisitions, which may help to explain the sophistication of the weapons to be found in this deal.

The Algerian Package: What's the Big Deal?

SU-30MK

(click to view full)Absent any confirmatory releases by Rosoboronexport, reports regarding this deal have varied. ITAR-Tass, for instance, reported Algeria will buy 40 MiG-29 fighters, 20 Sukhoi-30 fighters and 16 Yak-130 training planes as well as 8 S-300 PMU2 Favorit rocket systems and about 40 T-90 tanks. This is the composition most often reported in the press, but it doesn't come close to a $7.5 billion dollar deal.

A better and more detailed report comes from Vedomosti, which details the deal package as:

34 MiG-29SMT Fulcrum lightweight multi-role fighters, a slight reduction from DID's February 1, 2006 report of 36 planes

28 Su-30MKA Flanker two-seat multi-role fighters. This figure is the same as DID's earlier report.

14 Yak-130 Mitten combat trainers and light attack aircraft. DID's earlier report had noted the Yaks as an additional option, with the possibility of up to 50 aircraft. They will complement/ replace Algeria's older L-39 ZA Albatros aircraft from Czechoslovakia.

This aspect of the deal is valued at a total of $3.5 billion, and reportedly includes a trade-in whereby 36 older MiG-29s will be returned to Russia to be resold to third countries. According to Vedomosti, other contracts in the package include:

300 T-90S main battle tanks. For tanks, the 'S' designation signifies an export version ($1 billion);

Upgrades of 250 T-72 main battle tanks (over $200 million);

AT-13 Metis-M wire-guided and AT-14 Kornet semi-automatic laser beam-riding antitank guided missiles. Both missile types can also be fitted with thermobraic warheads for devastating anti-personnel effects within buildings, caves, et. al.;

30 self-propelled M1 Tunguska gun/missile systems for low-level, short-range air defense and light fire support (up to $500 million). Algeria's neighbor and sometime rival Morocco signed a December 2004 contract for 12 Tunguska systems

8 of Russia's advanced S-300 PMU-2 Favorit anti-air missile systems (aka. SA-10E, $1 billion);

S-300PMU2 Favorit

radar & launchers

(click to view full)According to eDefense Online, a S-300PMU2 Favorit battalion is equipped with a 30N6E2 fire-control radar, a 96L6E target-acquisition and designation radar, eight 5P85SE launchers, and a set of 48N6E2 missiles with a range of 200 km against aircraft and 40 km against ballistic missiles. Each battalion complex is designated 90Zh6E2. The system can engage six targets at a time with 12 missiles using its own 96L6 target-acquisition radar, at altitudes ranging anywhere from 35 feet (10m) off the deck to 90,000 feet (27km). In addition, the 83M6E2 regimental C2 system can support a mass engagement of 36 targets at a time.

The contract also includes unspecified work on Algeria's navy. According to Haze Gray, Algeria's Russian combatant ships include 2 Kilo Class submarines, 3 Koni class frigates, 3 Nanuchka class corvettes, and 11 Osa I and II Class missile boats (which may not be operable). Most entered service between 1975-1985, with the most modern ship being a Kilo Class sub that entered service in 1988. Repairs and upgrades had already begun on a limited during the 1990s, but more extensive refurbishment and upgrades are likely necessary.

Structuring the Deal

Tunguska M1 LLAD

(click to view full)The biggest issue hanging over the deal was a $4.7 billion debt outstanding from past purchases of Soviet arms. As the next section notes, buying advanced Russian arms is nothing new for Algeria. UPI notes that the logical question arose: if there was no money to pay the debt, how would Algeria pay for all of this new equipment?

Enter Russia's energy sector, in the persons of LUKoil CEO Vagit Alekperov, Gazprom chief Alexei Miller, and Igor Makarov of independent gas producer Itera. UPI believes the final arrangement is that Algeria will give gives Russian companies access to oil- and gas-rich regions, with the proceeds split between the producer and the Algerian government. The Algerian government is then bound to immediately transfer the revenues to Russian arms manufacturers, until such time as the debt is paid off.

AT-13 Metis-M ATGMMeanwhile, OPEC member Algeria develops more of her energy reserves, and the projects create local employment in the bargain. Indeed, the St. Petersburg Times reports that an $80 billion, 5-year program is underway aimed at boosting growth and drawing more investments to Algeria as it recovers from an extremely bloody civil war. That war against the Wahhabist/Salafist al-Qaeda affiliate GSPC and other Islamist terrorist groups has lasted over a decade and is still ongoing, but government successes over the last few years have sharply reduced the size of the threat.

The Morocco Times notes that Algeria has the world's seventh-largest natural gas reserves with 4.55 trillion cubic meters, and is the world's fourth-biggest gas exporter after Russia, Canada and Norway at 60 billion cubic meters per year. Russia, meanwhile, is the number one gas exporter to Europe, with about 26% of the market. By coordinating its export policies with number three exporter Algeria (about 10% of the European market), Russia may be able to increase its leverage within Europe, complicate the EU's efforts to diversify its sources of supply, and leverage that improved position into greater participation in and influence over Europe's pipeline projects.

Algeria's Appetite for Advanced Arms

MiG-29 Fulcrum

(click to view full)This level of advanced equipment is not altogether surprising. In 1999, Algerian President Abdel Aziz Boutefliqa announced a new military policy aimed at modernizing Algeria's army and shifting it toward a modernized, professional force. Yet military observers would note that modern equipment is hardly new to the Algerians.

Algeria had been a client for Soviet arms throughout the Cold War, and country data notes that they typically received and operated some of Russia's most advanced export equipment. The ANP was one of the first armies outside Eastern Europe to be equipped with the T-72 tank. Algeria also received the BMP-1 and BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles, MiG-23 Flogger and MiG-25 Foxbat fighters, Mi-24 Hind attack helicopters, modern rapid-firing artillery, and SA-2 and SA-3 air defense missile systems.

Armed SU-24 Fencer

(click to view full)Algeria currently flies the lightweight MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter, and a previous UPI story noted that Algeria received 18 SU-30MK multi-role fighters in 2005, along with a $120 million deal for 22 of Russia's SU-24 Fencer tactical bombers that proved so popular in Chechnya. In 1999, Algeria also became one of the first customers for Russia's Smerch-M 300mmm multiple rocket launcher system.

In many ways, therefore, this purchasing wave is simply a continuation of what Algeria's military government is used to. Even so, there is one important way in which this proposed deal would represent a break with the recent past.

Moscow Defense Brief magazine editor Ruslan Pukhov noted to The Moscow Times that after the Soviet Union's breakup, Algeria's military contracts largely switched to firms in Belarus and the Ukraine. We'd add that rather than dealing with Russian firms, Algeria even worked closely with South Africa's ATE Aerospace to upgrade its Mi-24 Hind attack helicopters with new avionics, sensors, weapons, and logistics infrastructure. the result was the fully-modernized "Mi-24 Superhind Mk3".

"This [$4 billion] contract will be Russia's triumphant return to North Africa," said Pukhov. "In the coming years, Algeria will account for 20% of Russian's arms exports, while China and India will plummet from 70% to 50%" as a result of saturated markets and diversification of those of those countries' arms sources

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/03/algerian-arms-deal-brings-russia-75-billion-gas-market-leverage/index.php

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L’Algérie a commandé huit systèmes de missiles S-300 à la Russie dans le cadre des contrats d’armements conclus en mars dernier, mais les constructeurs russes estiment que ces livraisons ne peuvent être honorées avant… 2011 en raison de surcharge dans le cahier de commandes, un problème concernant également les avions Sukhoi. Ces commandes estimées à 1 milliard de dollars font de l’Algérie le premier client de la Russie dans le monde arabe en matière d’achat de systèmes antiaériens S-300 PMU-2. Ces huit batteries de DCA sont destinées, selon la presse russe, à assurer la couverture des principales villes algériennes ainsi que des sites stratégiques. La date de livraison de ces missiles n’a pas été fixée. Toutefois, le directeur adjoint de Rosoboronexport, l’agence centrale russe d’exportation d’armements, Ivan Gontcharenko, a annoncé dernièrement que les nouvelles commandes de systèmes antiaériens S-300 PMU2 ne pourront être honorées par l’industrie russe avant 2011. Les récentes commandes de systèmes de DCA auprès de la Russie de l’ordre 3,5 milliards de dollars, incluant celles de l’Algérie, font partie d’un cahier de commandes global de Rosoboronexport qui se monte à 17,6 milliards de dollars, a précisé le responsable. Le groupe Almaz-Antey, constructeur de ces missiles, doit prochainement entamer l’exécution d’un contrat de livraison de ces armements à la Chine, conclu l’année dernière. Rosoboronexport tarde à fournir également ces systèmes à l’Inde en raison du manque d’unités de production, a fait savoir le directeur du Centre d’analyses et de technologies, Rouslan Poukhov. Le même problème est également vécu par l’usine aéronautique d’Irkoutsk, principale entreprise de production du groupe Irkout, également surchargée, constructrice des chasseurs bombardiers Sukhoi. L’Algérie avait passé une commande de 28 chasseurs Sukhoi-30 MKA (version commerciale modernisée) également dans le cadre de contrats pour 7,5 milliards de dollars d’armements conclus lors de la visite en mars dernier à Alger du président russe Vladmir Poutine. Ces contrats portent sur la livraison de 34 chasseurs Mig-29 SMT, 28 chasseurs Su-30 MKI, de 14 avions d’entraînement et de combat Yak-130 (pour un total de 3,5 milliards de dollars), de 300 chars T-90S (pour un milliard de dollars), de huit systèmes de missiles S-300 PMU-2 pour les divisions de DCA (1 milliard de dollars), de 30 batteries sol-air Toungouska (d’une valeur de près de 500 millions de dollars) ainsi que la modernisation de 250 chars T-72 (pour plus de 200 millions de dollars) et la livraison de missiles antichars Metis et Kornet ainsi que la mise à niveau des navires des forces navales algériennes dont deux sous-marins. Dans un entretien accordé en juin dernier au quotidien Vodomosti, Oleg Demchenko, directeur du constructeur Irkout, avait affirmé que ces appareils seraient livrés à l’Algérie à partir de 2007. La Russie doit honorer trois contrats de livraison de ces appareils signés avec l’Algérie, l’Inde et la Malaisie. Pour ce faire, le constructeur Irkout doit fabriquer 32 appareils par an, soit quatre appareils de plus par rapport au niveau de production qu’il s’était fixé auparavant. Mais un événement de taille risque de contrarier ces livraisons. Il s’agit de la décision prise vendredi par le Département d’Etat américain d’imposer des sanctions contre sept sociétés étrangères dont Irkout et Rosoboronexport, en plus de deux compagnies indiennes, une société cubaine et deux autres nord-coréennes, que Washington accuse d’avoir vendu du matériel militaire à l’Iran et «susceptible d’être utilisé dans le développement d’armes de destruction massive». Moscou a qualifié d’»inadmissibles» et «illégales» ces sanctions, mais on ignore leurs incidences à terme sur la concrétisation des contrats conclus avec l’Algérie. Les experts russes n’hésitaient pas à considérer ces sanctions comme une forme de concurrence déloyale des Etats-Unis sur le marché mondial de l’armement dans lequel la Russie a conquis une part importante durant les trois dernières années. va falloir patienter 8)

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Pas grave, j'espere qu'ils se trompent de date car a m'aconnaissance, ya que l'Algérie et la chine sur cette liste de S-300 et le Flanker, nous ne somme depassé que par la Malaisie alors[16]

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avec plus de 70 milliards de reserve de change ! je crois que l'Algerie a les moyens de s'offrire autant d'armement sachant que 5 milliards $ font partie de la reconversion de la dette

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Quelqu'un pourrais me dire ce qu'il compte faire de tout ces gadgets.Parceque c'est pas comme si les neo-croisé se preparait à attaquer Tunis.Je sais bien que c'est important d'avoir une armée efficace au cas ou mais des Su-30 ça parrait un peu beaucoup sans compter que la concurrence dans la region est assez faible.Alors c'est quoi le grand plan?PArceque evidament j'imagine que l'explication officiel c'est la "guerre contre le terrorisme".

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Merci,je sais mais comme Saint Louis est partie faire un croisade là bas et que toute façon ce n'est pas tres loin,je me suis dit qu'on pouvait se permettre quelque liberté avec la geographie. Autant pour moi

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Le grand plan comme tu dis c'est moderniser une flotte aérienne pour qu'elle reste dissuasive et efficace contre toute menace potentielle, avec des appareils obsolète ce n'est pas possible. Et l'Algérie ne peut compter que sur ses MiG-25, il lui faut une véritable armée de l'air moderne sur le plan matériel, donc MiG-35 et Su-30 MKA

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la flotte actuelle de l'armee de l'air est tres vielle les MIG-23 ont tous 30ans de service meme les MIG-25 vont bientot approcher cet age sans compter que l'algerie a un immense territoire qui fait 4 fois la france alors il nous faut de grand chasseur et le SU-30 est parfait pour ce role

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à la base c'est au temps pour moi mais bon, le Francais étant tres facilement détourné, on est arrivé à une expression annexe, autant pour moi (qui ma foi ne veut pas dire grand chose)

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