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Il y a 4 heures, vincenzo a dit :

Pourtant le M16A4 a été adopté il y a quoi 10 ans?

Il n'y a pas dire, ils soutiennent leur industrie d'armement

TimTR a déjà pas mal expliqué le truc .

Je pense que c'est surtout aussi une réflexion , quand l'Army a adopté le M4 on avait pas encore les munitions qui permettaient de compensé la longueur du canon pour la portée de tir et la puissance ,donc je pense que l'USMC a préféré opter pour une modernisation du M16 .

Au vu des conditions d'emploi ( entre l'Afghanistan et l'Irak ) ils ont opté pour un compromis en attendant , certes avec des avantages pour la longue portée mais plus emmerdant pour les combats en zone urbaine ( Falloujah )  ou s'est moins pratique d'avoir une arme trop longue .

Je pense que les marines étaient dans le l'optique qui peu le plus peu le moins et donc qu'il était primordial de gardé un canon long en attendant d'avoir un moyens permettant d'avoir une arme au canon court mais ayant une capacité de portée de tir importante , et cela passant par de nouvelles munitions .

Il me semble qu'à l'époque les 5.56 mm ayant des capacités de portée importante et puissance d'impact était du niveau des FS qui commençaient à en percevoir .Mais je pense que le prix est une phase de test avec retex concret était sûrement observé par les marines .

Mais comme le souligne TimTR le coût du passage du M16 A4 au M4 pas énorme sur pas mal de points vu qu'on reste dans le modèle AR-15 .

 

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Avec plus de 2 millions de pax portant l'uniforme, ils doivent commander des fusils chaque année sans interruption. C'est clair que c'est beaucoup mieux pour l'industrie que d'en commander 90k pendant 5 ans puis plus rien pendant 20 ans... suivez mon regard. En outre, passer d'un modèle d'AR-15 à un autre ne doit avoir aucun coût particulier en terme de re-outillage. Donc passer du M16A4 au M4A1 devrait être quasi indolore. Autre avantage de l'industrie de l'ALI US, ils ont de la concurrence sur un même modèle de fusil. Leur seul problème, c'est que l'on voit mal comment ils vont passer à la génération d'ALI suivante et tourner la page de l'AR-15. Mais bon on en est encore loin.

Oui effectivement , d'ailleurs je pense que la culture AR-15 a sûrement joué sur le fait que les rangers du 75 th Rangers l'ai pas adopté .Dans le HS sur les Rangers on abordé cela ,le test du SCAR chez les Rangers .

Et bien qu'il n'est pas trouvé de plus par rapport à un M4 , il n'y avait pas fondamentalement de raison pour le rejeter sauf peut-être la culture AR-15 ,et je dirais aussi le coût car sa revient moins cher du fait que le M4 est l'arme standard de l'Army ,donc on reste dans le budget je dirais .

J'ai observé qu'ils ont gardé des versions canon court du SCAR et SCAR en 7.62 mm ( bon pas le même emploi qu'un FA )  ,donc je trouve étrange qu'ils aient rejeté le concept parce qu'il n'apporte pas plus qu'un M4 .

Je pense que fondamentalement la culture AR-15 est bien incrusté et il faut le dire ,que le concept à énormément évolué depuis le M16 au Vietnam ,il a était décortiqué et modifié qu'il a fini par être un FA abouti sans pb majeur .

Bon après comme tout concept il y a du bon et du moins bon m'enfin je pense que chaque concept d'arme a ces avantages et inconvénient .

Perso je pense que le HK 416 est au fond le truc le plus abouti de l'AR-15 et il me plaît bien ,même si je préfère le SCAR .

Mine de rien , il aura suffit de trouvé la munition la plus performante pour avoir un 5.56 mm qui apporte de la portée et puissance d'impact et permette d'offrir au M4 ce qui lui manquait ,portée et puissance .

Oui ils vont sûrement gardé le concept AR-15 encore pas mal d'années je pense .

 

 

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Je viens de remarquer cela , des marines qui portent un camouflage type morceau de "jute" ,pièces de tissus etc ... sur le casque .

J'avais observé cela à de rares occasions dans le passé ( années 90 ) chez les marines mais s'étaient rare ,en général s'est juste le couvre casque comme moyen classique de camouflage .

Dans ce style ce type de camouflage du casque on l'observe chez certaines unités brits mais aussi au 8°RPIMa en France et parfois dans certains régiments ( mais plus rare ) ,et quelques autre pays .

J'ai l'impression que s'est un effet mimétique et pratique de ces marines en ayant observé d'autres à l'étranger le faire .

Perso j'avais bricolé ce genre de camouflage de casque ,et sa cassé bien les formes , avec des morceaux de tissus pas trop grand .

Sa rend bien avec le camo de leur tenue et sa casse bien la forme du casque .

 

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Le premier AAV rénové vient d'être livré , 10 doivent suivre :

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Science Applications International Corp. (NYSE:SAIC) announced today that it delivered the first Assault Amphibious Vehicle Survivability Upgrade (AAV SU) to U.S. Marine Corps Base Quantico on March 4. Transported from SAIC’s integration facility in Charleston, South Carolina, this is the first of 10 landmark AAV SU vehicles scheduled to be delivered for testing to the Marine Corps by May.
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Voici des documentaires avec témoignages , images d'archives et de reconstitutions sur ce qu'on connu les marines à Falloujah :

 

 

 

Ramadi :

 

 

Et lors de l'invasion de l'Irak en 2003 :

Très intéressant car la on suit les marines et leur AAVP7 dans Nassyriah : 

 

 

 

 

Ses batailles font maintenant parti de l'histoire de l'USMC .

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En 2007 , un Marine blessé refuse d'être évacué sans avoir d'abord signer son contrat pour rempiler :

http://www.onemarinesview.com/one_marines_view/2007/07/motto.html

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NEAR KARMAH, Iraq (June 29, 2007) – A forward resuscitative surgical system never, ever stands still while treating a wounded Marine – until today, when Cpl. Gareth Hawkins, 23, demanded to reenlist before being medically evacuated.

While conducting counter-insurgency operations this morning with Battalion Landing Team 3/1's Lima Company, Hawkins' vehicle was hit by a massive improvised explosive device, shattering his right leg and injuring two other Marines. Within minutes of the blast, Hawkins was set to be flown out of the area and into the hands of higher medical care.

According to 1st Sgt. Gary Moran, Lima Co. first sergeant, Hawkins didn't want to leave until he was reenlisted by battalion staff here, more than 14 kilometers from his position.

"Hawkins just got hit in a major blast that could've killed him," Moran said, "and he said, 'First Sergeant, I don't want to fly out … I want to go to (the Combat Outpost) first'."

The first sergeant said he was stunned. After assessing Hawkins' condition, movement to the COP was approved.

While lying on a litter in the surgical area, Hawkins, straining words through extreme pain, gave his reasons for the unusual request.

"'Cause it's motivating," said the

Spokane

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Wash.

native. "I was going to reenlist anyway, this is what I wanted to do."

Throughout the surgical station, Marines and medical personnel could be heard murmuring "(expletive) motivating, man …," and "that's crazy." Hawkins wouldn't budge.

The Battalion Executive Officer, Maj. Kevin Gonzalez, along with the Career Retention Specialist Staff Sgt. Chandrash Malapaka, and several others crammed into the tiny room for the ceremony.

"We're going to do the short version of this," said the Executive Officer.

Raising his right hand, Hawkins took the oath of enlistment by 1st Lt. Warren A. Frank, his platoon commander. With no time for the usual formalities of backslaps and handshakes, Hawkins was immediately carried out via litter and evacuated.

Standing by his sense of duty and raw determination in the face of extreme pain and uncertainty, Cpl. Gareth Hawkins has epitomized the battalion motto of "3/1 Hard."Story and Photos By Sgt. Andy Hurt/13th MEU

 

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Bon je pense que les LAV de l'USMC ont déjà pas mal d'années de service ,ils ont perdu de leur étanchéité et surtout de puissance :

 

 

 

Voyons un peu les tankistes de l'USMC :

 

Voyons maintenant chez les artilleurs des marines :

 

 

Et chez les sapeurs marines :

 

 

 

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Et bien , avant que l'histoire ne soit gravée dans le marbre ,on aura connu moult rebondissement sur qui était présent dans les deux levées des couleurs sur le Mont Suribachi à Iwo Jima en 1945 !

Ceux des photos qui ont immortalisé le Corps des Marines pour au moins 500 ans , s'est ce qu'avait dit le secrétaire d'état à la Marine ,James Forrestal .

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/veterans/2016/06/23/marines-admit-they-misidentified-one-man-iconic-1945-iwo-jima-photo/86278502/

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Marines say they misidentified one of the men in iconic Iwo Jima photo

Jim Michaels, USA Today1:23 p.m. EDT June 23, 2016

(Photo: Joe Rosenthal, AP)

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WASHINGTON — The Marine Corps acknowledged Thursday it had misidentified one of the six men in the iconic 1945 World War II photo of the flag-raising on Iwo Jima.

The investigation solved one mystery but raised another. The Marine Corps investigation identified a man who has never been officially linked to the famous photo: Pfc. Harold Schultz, who died in 1995 and went through life without publicly talking about his role.

“Why doesn’t he say anything to anyone,” asked Charles Neimeyer, a Marine Corps historian who was on the panel that investigated the identities of the flag raisers. “That’s the mystery.”

“I think he took his secret to the grave,” Neimeyer said.

U.S. Marine Corps Pfc. Harold Schultz (Photo: Courtesy of The Smithsonian Channel)

The Marine Corps investigation concluded with near certainty that Schultz was one of the Marines raising the flag in the photo.

The investigation also determined that John Bradley, a Navy corpsman, was not in the photograph taken on Mount Suribachi by Joe Rosenthal, a photographer for The Associated Press. The Feb. 23, 1945, photo that has been reproduced over seven decades actually depicts the second flag-raising of the day.

The three surviving men identified in the photo, John Bradley, Ira Hayes and Rene Gagnon, went on a tour selling war bonds back in the United States and were hailed as heroes.

Bradley’s son James Bradley and co-author Ron Powers wrote a best-selling book about the flag raisers, "Flags of Our Fathers," which was later made into a movie directed by Clint Eastwood. John Bradley had been in the first flag-raising photo on Iwo Jima and may have confused the two, Neimeyer said.

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Schultz, who enlisted in the Marine Corps at age 17, was seriously injured in fighting on the Japanese island and went on to a 30-year career with the U.S. Postal Service in Los Angeles after recovering from his wounds. He was engaged to a woman after the war, but she died of a brain tumor before they could wed, said his stepdaughter, Dezreen MacDowell. Schultz married MacDowell's mother at age 63.

Analysts believe Schultz, who received a Purple Heart, knew he was in the iconic image, but chose not to talk about it.

“I have a really hard time believing how it wouldn’t have been known to him,” said Matthew Morgan, a retired Marine officer who worked on a Smithsonian Channel documentary on the investigation. The filmmakers turned over their evidence to the Marine Corps to examine.

Schultz may have mentioned his role at least once. MacDowell said she recalls he said he was one of the flag raisers over dinner in the early 1990s when they were discussing the war in the Pacific.

“Harold, you are a hero,” she said she told him.

“Not really. I was a Marine,” he said.

She described him as quiet and self-effacing.

It’s difficult to fathom his desire to keep his role quiet in an era when many Navy SEALs and other servicemen are rushing books into print about their exploits. During WWII many veterans were reluctant to speak about their experiences because it reminded them of the horrors of war.

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Marine who led WWII charge up Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima dies

One of the flag raisers, Ira Hayes, initially asked to remain anonymous, but the Marines were under orders from President Franklin Roosevelt to identify the Marines so they could go on a war bonds tour.

The photo appeared in thousands of newspapers and raised the morale of a nation that had grown weary of the bloody slog in the Pacific.

“We were winning the war but it was the hardest part of the war,” historian Eric Hammel said of the Pacific island-hopping campaign.

“It went viral in the 1945 equivalent of the word,” Neimeyer said.

The new investigation was prompted by growing doubts about the identity of Bradley in the photo.

Two amateur historians, Eric Krelle and Stephen Foley, went further and were able to identify Schultz as a possible flag raiser. They examined the Rosenthal photo and compared it to others taken the same day, including a video that was shot at the same time as Rosenthal took his photo. Their research was highlighted in a lengthy 2014 Omaha World-Herald article.

More than a year later the Marine Corps agreed to investigate the claim, appointing a nine-person panel headed by Jan Huly, a retired Marine Corps three-star general.

The faces in Rosenthal’s photos are mostly obscured, but investigators were able to identify distinctive ways the Marines wore their equipment and uniforms in the photo and then compared it to other photos taken of the unit on the same day.

“It’s obvious to the untrained eye,” said Michael Plaxton, a consultant who examined the photographs for a documentary, "The Unknown Flag Raiser of Iwo Jima," which will air on the Smithsonian Channel on July 3.

“People have pointed out the inconsistencies over the years,” Plaxton said.

He said it required more careful and independent analysis to draw any firm conclusions, however. Plaxton’s report and other material uncovered by the Smithsonian Channel was used by the Marine Corps in their investigation.

Neimeyer said the Marine Corps didn’t immediately launch an investigation because it frequently received competing claims about the presence of people in famous war photos. Once the Marine Corps realized how compelling the evidence was in this case, it agreed to look into the issue earlier this year.

It wasn’t the first time the Marines had to correct the record. A Marine Corps investigation in 1947 determined that Henry Hansen had been misidentified as a flag raiser instead of Harlon Block. Both men had been killed in action on the island, as were two other men identified in the photo, Franklin Sousley and Michael Strank.

It's not surprising there has been confusion about the identities of the Marines. Rosenthal gave the shot very little thought as he took it, and the men raising the flag took little notice as well.

The Marine Corps effort to identify the men was further hindered by the confusion over the fact there were two flag-raisings, the chaos of one of the war’s bloodiest battles and the faces in the photos were obscured.

The Marine Corps said the results of the investigation don’t undermine what the photo and memorial depicting it represent. The photo helped cement the Marines’ reputation as one of the world’s toughest fighting forces.

Marines landed on Iwo Jima, a tiny Pacific atoll about 760 miles from mainland Japan, on Feb. 19, 1945, beginning a bloody five-week fight for every inch of the island against an entrenched Japanese force that refused to surrender.

Few Marines escaped unscathed. Of the 70,000 Americans who participated in the battle, 6,800 were killed and about 20,000 were wounded. Some infantry units sustained much higher casualty rates. About 20,000 Japanese soldiers, most of the force, died trying to defend the tiny island.

The first flag-raising, which occurred shortly after 10 a.m., captured the attention of the Marines fighting on the island. In the midst of brutal battles throughout the island they looked up to see the flag flying over Mount Suribachi, the highest point on the island. Marines paused to cheer. Navy ships sounded their horns.

Hours later the Marines decided to replace that flag with a larger one. Rosenthal was there, snapping a photo so quickly he didn’t have time to look through his viewfinder.

After Schultz's death, MacDowell found only a few items that her stepfather kept from his Marine Corps days. Included in the metal box of military records was a group photo that Rosenthal took of Marines on Iwo Jima around the same time as the famous photo.

But there was no answer to the mystery of why Schultz remained largely silent about his brush with history.

“He probably wouldn’t be really happy with us revealing this now,” Neimeyer said.

 

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Marines in Japan will put new tropical uniforms and boots through the rigors this summer as they trudge through double-canopy jungles and murky waterways in peak humidity.

As Marines' deployments to tropical locales heat up, the Corps is on the hunt for lightweight, breathable boots and utes that dry quickly in rainy, humid climates. About 400 leathernecks from the Hawaii-based 3rd Marine Regiment will wear the tropical uniform prototype along with four pairs of combat boots for a three-week wear test at the Jungle Warfare Training Center in Japan.

Lt. Col. Rob Bailey, product manager for infantry combat equipment at Marine Corps Systems Command, said the wear tests will be conducted during scheduled training. Marines at the Jungle Warfare Training Center rappel from steep cliffs, carry mock casualties through fields of mud, trek through brown waters, cross rope bridges and complete endurance courses — all while the jungle canopy sends humidity levels soaring.

“The operationally realistic training in a challenging environment will provide good feedback on the effectiveness, durability and other characteristics of the boots, and will help to inform the development of performance specifications,” Bailey said.

Tropical utility uniforms 

ReadyOne, a military garment manufacturer based in El Paso, Texas, provided the uniforms for the wear test. The company used various combinations of nine materials for different utility uniforms. Marines will test them all to determine which is lightest, quickest to dry, and able to withstand the rigors of jungle operations.

The Marine Corps teamed with the Army when asking companies to identify a lighter uniform fabric that improves moisture management and reduces dry time without sacrificing durability and protection. The tropical utilities will have permethrin treatments that helps repel insects before they are issued, which typically last for 50 washings. Officials also looking into flame resistance treatment.

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More than 80,000 Marines are focused on the Pacific

Don’t expect to see tiger stripes or cool new jungle camouflage pattern, though. The idea is to keep the same colors and patterns as current uniforms in woodland Marine pattern. The difference will be in the material.

Cpl. Kevin Kusler crawls over a stone wall during the jungle endurance course at Camp Gonsalves, Japan. Marines training at the Corps’ jungle warfare center will test new tropical lightweight uniforms and boots this summer. (Photo: Lance Cpl. Diamond Peden/Marine Corps)

ReadyOne's materials include nylon, a fire-resistant cotton, cotton/nylon rip-stop fibers, a polytetrafluoroethylene blend, and a polyester mix, said Pat O’Connor, a company spokesman. Officials were provided 150 units of each of the nine materials, he said, and have since asked for “a couple hundred more of certain materials,” though he could not elaborate.

The materials were also used to create variations of Army combat shirts to be worn as part of the evaluation, O’Connor said.

Quick-drying boots 

Good footwear in tropical environments is crucial. Trench foot or jungle rot disease can turn serious fast if left untreated.

The Marine Corps bought 100 pairs of each of the four jungle boot prototype from four vendors: Original Footwear, Bates Footwear, Belleville Boot Company and Rocky Boots. The Marines participating in the wear test will provide written after-action surveys, and MARFORSYSCOM officials will conduct close inspections to gauge the quality of each boot.

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Marine Corps refines list of approved combat, RAT boots

Both the Marine Corps and Army wanted lighter boots that dry faster than the current combat boot. The call for prototypes stated that the boots' length could range from 6 to 9 inches. Ankle support will be carefully monitored, and it must be easy to remove mud and other debris, officials said. The goal is a pair of boots that weigh 1.7 pounds; the threshold is 2.3 pounds.

Bates Footwear supplied the services with a water-resistant Wolverine Warrior Leather boot, said Julie McCauley, the company's marketing manager. The boots feature a multichannel design with drainage ports and anti-microbial lining. They weigh 1.6 pounds each.

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Belleville Boot Company is one of four footwear companies that provided tropical boot prototypes to the Marine Corps and Army for testing. The waterproof boot is made of breathable nylon and flesh-out leather on rubber VIBRAM Panama II outsoles.   Courtesy Belleville Boot Company

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Belleville Boot Company couched its submission as a modern version of the Vietnam-era jungle boot. A waterproof combination of breathable 1000 Denier nylon and flesh-out leather sits atop a high-traction rubber VIBRAM Panama II outsole, said Glen Becker, chief sales officer. Components are connected by double and triple stitched seams for enhanced durability. Two drainage perforations aid in dry time. Unlike the jungle boots of old, this is centered on a highly cushioned, shock absorbent midsole that is “hydrolysis resistant,” which means constant saturation won’t cause it to break down. The insole includes a molded removable insert. The boot is 10.25 inches in height and a pair weighs 3.9 pounds.

Original Footwear and Rocky Boots did not respond to questions from Marine Corps Times about the specs of their boots.

Becker said the Army requested a puncture-resistant capability, which the Marine Corps didn't request. Belleville used a textile-based insole board to achieve that requirement.

The Army also requested two different lacing configurations: One that features eyelets only, which is the same boot tested by the Corps. The other has a traditional speed lacing configuration.

Jungle-bound troops 

The uniform changes come as more Marines and soldiers are deploying to the Asia-Pacific region.

The Marines currently send about 1,200 Marines to Australia's Northern Territory annually, and there are plans to double that by 2020. The Navy and Marine Corps also plans to send another amphibious ready group/Marine expeditionary unit to the Pacific, which would put another 4,000 sailors and Marines in the region.

Marines recently began rotating through the Philippines again and tens of thousands of leathernecks rotate through Japan each year. Soon, thousands of those Marines and their families will be relocated to Guam. Marines have also been beefing up training on Pacific islands like Tahiti, Tarawa and Fiji.

A Marine watches and waits for a signal from the point man as they search for the enemy during a three-day field training exercise in Okinawa, Japan. (Photo: Lance Cpl. Carl King/Marine Corps)

The Army's Pacific Pathways program, which started in 2014, sends soldiers to places like Mongolia, Japan, South Korea, Thailand, the Philippines, Australia and Indonesia. Soldiers are also training with foreign troops in places like Hawaii and Alaska.

ARMY TIMES

Here's how the Army's Pacific mission is expanding now

The Marine Corps and Army aren't the only military services interested in hot-weather uniforms. The Navy worked with private companies for two years to develop the Lightweight Navy Working Uniform, which weighs about a third less than the regular blue cammies. Sailors located in Guam, Hawaii, Diego Garcia and Singapore were able to purchase the new uniform in April, and Navy recruits will receive them at as part of their mandatory sea bag starting Oct. 1.

Navy wear tests participants described the fabric as cooler — sailors could feel the breeze blowing through the uniform, and some found air-conditioned computer spaces to be chilly. But thinner did not equate to weaker in the Navy tests, as the lightweight NWUs withstood the typical snags in passageways and deck operations. They are made with the same wrinkle-free nylon/cotton twill used with the Type I NWU, but a treatment added to the fabric prior to its manufacture makes it more breathable.

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Lance M. Bacon is senior reporter for Marine Corps Times. He covers Marine Corps Combat Development Command, Marine Corps Forces Command, personnel / career issues, Marine Corps Logistics Command, II MEF, and Marine Forces North. He can be reached at lbacon@militarytimes.com.

 

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Un peu d'histoire et la on va pouvoir s'intéressé aux blindés de l'USMC durant la seconde guerre Mondiale ,et durant la guerre du Vietnam avec ces documentaires super bien fait ,témoignage d'anciens et des images de synthé qui permettent de bien comprendre , bien évidemment il y aussi des images d'époques , les interventions des spécialistes en histoire très intéressant .

Dans la partie histoire j'ai ouvert depuis quelques temps déjà un file sur les chars dans l'USMC .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Exercice tri national Koolendong 16 (Australie-France-USA) ayant eu lieu au Bradshaw Field Training Area, dans le territoire du Nord, en Australie.

La partie NRBC est gentillette, même pas de passage en Zoulou 4 pour les troupes présentes !

 

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