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BANGALORE (Dow Jones)--Hindustan Aeronautics a avancé dans les préparatifs de la construction en Inde d'un site d'assemblage pour l'avion de chasse Rafale de Dassault Aviation , a déclaré mercredi le président du groupe. 

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Ce sera officiel !  ^-^

Quoi de plus logique quand les gouvernements sont de gauche !

Après on ne pourra plus revenir en arrière.

Car les élections législatives indiennes approchent en 2014.

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Si elle s'obstine à toujours tenir tête à la Chine alors elle n'a absolument pas les épaules pour, elle va finir par perdre ces 15 à 20 ans très (trop) précieux pour au final se faire distancer encore plus par la Chine.

Henri K.

Certains généraux et civils indiens n'ont pas oublié la défaite de 1962 et l'agression gratuite de Mao. Sans compter son soutien implicite au Pakistan c'est-à-dire à son terrorisme international !

S'il devait avoir une guerre avec la Chine autant la perdre avec honneur et dignité avec des armes nucléaires, bactériologiques et chimiques. Le peuple chinois s'apercevra que la colère du peuple indien sera pire que celle du Japon. L'humanité y perdra !

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Certains généraux et civils indiens n'ont pas oublié la défaite de 1962 et l'agression gratuite de Mao. Sans compter son soutien implicite au Pakistan c'est-à-dire à son terrorisme international !

S'il devait avoir une guerre avec la Chine autant la perdre avec honneur et dignité avec des armes nucléaires, bactériologiques et chimiques. Le peuple chinois s'apercevra que la colère du peuple indien sera pire que celle du Japon. L'humanité y perdra !

C'est ca qui pousse l'inde a s"armée d'une maniéré féroce ,l'inde ne veut pas tombe dans le piège une deuxième fois en plus, espéré vouloir être une puissance dans la région,mais avec la chine qui prime la place de super puissance c'est un peu difficile a réalise

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Un autre article qui nous incite à être prudent car comme il a été dit et répété, c'est long ....

http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2013/02/07/rafale-en-inde-il-reste-encore-beaucoup-a-faire-estime-dassault_1828079_3234.html

Discussions approfondies avec les partenaires industriels...

On est qd même bien au-delà de la reflexion ds les coulisses de la politique indienne.

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pub !  =) un nouveau rapetout supertout, c'est beau quand c'est sur papier, Dassault devrait en faire un juste pour le fun.

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IjtoIQ9MztI

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Zut ! dsl pour la video amca india, voila un autre lien, j'ai retiré mon post précédent

Ils parlent maitenant de fin d'année, cela devient inquiétant.  =(

Hope To Sign M-MRCA Deal By Year End: IAF Chief

http://livefist.blogspot.fr/2013/02/hope-to-sign-m-mrca-deal-by-year-end.html

The MMRCA is very much on track. The Contract Negotiation Committee process is currently on. I expect contract negotiations to be complete by April/May this year. We should be in a position to sign the contract by the end of the year," Indian Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal Norman Browne said today at his press conference at the Aero India show.

He indicate that CNC had been on for only a year now -- they began in February 2012 after the final downselect -- and that he was "keen that it's all wrapped up this year". As a comparison, Browne pointed out that a contract for the IAF's Mirage 2000 upgrade had take more than two years, but that he hoped the MMRCA negotiations wouldn't take as long.

In response to a question about reported "discomfort" in workshare negotiations, Browe said there were "no issues" from the IAF's side. "Our interest is with the direct supply of 18 aircraft. The other 108 will be license produced by HAL. Dassault is free to choose production partners in India and abroad for kits. But these kits finally have to go to HAL for license production. We don't get into that. That isn't our concern."

India Expects First Rafale Delivery 3 Years After Deal Reached

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-06/india-panel-evaluating-dassault-s-126-fighter-jets-supply-deal.html

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Quelques news...

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/iaf-chief-disappointed-by-hal-hopes-to-sign-mmrca-later-this-year/articleshow/18384343.cms

IAF Chief 'disappointed' by HAL, hopes to sign MMRCA later this year

BANGALORE: Defence undertaking Hindustan Aeronautics came under criticism from Indian Air Force chief NAK Browne for its inability to deliver a much-needed intermediate jet trainer for over a decade, even as the country's air force continues to face massive difficulties in training its pilots.

Speaking at Aero India 2013, the biennial military and aerospace event in Bangalore, Air Chief Marshal Browne said that the IAF has been "disappointed" by the lack of progress made by the Bangalore-based government-owned aerospace company in delivering the IJT.

"The project actually started in 2004 or 2005, and it has been almost eight or nine years since then. The Defence Minister and his ministry are looking with great seriousness at the reasons for the stalling of the project," he said.

The Chief of Air Staff said that the HAL trainer was continuing to face engine issues, with the Russia's NPO Saturn-made AL-55I engine currently cleared up to 100 hours only, as against the acceptable engine life expectancy of between 1,200 and 1,500 hours.

"Unless all these things happen, we cannot accept that as the intermediate jet trainer," Browne said.

HAL's intermediate jet trainer has been in development for over a decade now, with the IAF signing up to receive 12 prototypes and 73 operational trainers. However, it is now believed that the IJT is at least three years away from delivery.

Air Chief Marshal Browne also categorically ruled out inducting HAL's basic trainer aircraft, deeming it too expensive, and stated that it was satisfied with the 112 Swiss-made Pilatus basic trainers that it purchased for about Rs 3,500 crore last year.

HAL has been desperately trying to ensure that the IAF, principally its biggest customer, places a substantial order to buy the indigenously-manufactured HTT-40 basic trainer, but the response has been extremely lukewarm till date.

"There is no need for it...We have the Pilatus PC-7 now. It's a fully proven trainer flown by many other countries. The project HAL plans, is from scratch, and our indications are that the costs will be higher," Browne said.

The Air Chief also said the IAF was reluctant to pay for the corresponding costs related to research and development for the basic trainer. The Air Chief's comments come a day after Union Defence Minister AK Antony excoriated the PSUs for their lack of spending on research and development.

"PSUs should spend more on R&D. Their spending has not been enough. Indigenisation is a very big focus area for us, and they have to spend more on research...Hindustan Aeronautics is trying to speed up its programme to build Intermediate Jet Trainers, and they must show the results by 2015," Antony said.

On a separate note Browne said that the IAF hoped to sign the much-vaunted $15 billion Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender with Dassault Aviation later this year.

"The MMRCA is very much on track. The contract negotiation committee process is currently on, and I expect negotiations to be complete by April or May this year. We should be in a position to sign the contract by the end of the year," the Air Chief said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/defence-budget-cuts-imminent-to-reign-in-fiscal-deficit-ak-antony/articleshow/18371194.cms

Defence budget cuts imminent to reign in fiscal deficit: AK Antony

BANGALORE: Union defence minister AK Antony confirmed that a reduction in the country's military budget was imminent, as the Manmohan Singh-led UPA government attempts to rein in government spending to clamp down on a rampaging fiscal deficit.

"The global recession has affected India as well, and we have to tighten our belts across all areas for a better future... All (government) departments have been asked to reduce their budgets - both capital and revenue," the defence minister said at Aero India 2013 in Bangalore.

Antony was in Bangalore on Wednesday to inaugurate the biennial military and aerospace exhibition, which has over 600 participants, including a number of the world's biggest military contractors showcasing their wares.

However, the defence minister reiterated that there would be no reduction in spending on "priority areas."

"There will not be any spending cuts when it comes to operational preparedness of our ground forces," he said.

He, however, did not specify which defence procurement could get affected as a result of the proposed cuts. Critical ones, including the $15 billion Medium, Multi-Role Combat Aircraft contract for 126 combat aircrafts the Indian Air Force are not expected to be affected.

"There is no question of delay because of budget cuts. It is one of the biggest procurements from the ministry and air force," the defence minister said

Antony's announcement comes days after finance minister P. Chidamabaram promised to restrict India's soaring fiscal deficit to 5.3% of the country's GDP.

Infrastructure and defence are two of the most high-profile sectors that could see critical projects being put on hold, a move that the government expects will result in savings of about Rs 1.1 trillion ($20.6 billion).

India has traditionally been one of the world's largest importers of military hardware, importing close to 70% of its military requirements, a situation exacerbated by the limited development and production capabilities of the government-owned defence undertakings.

India's defence budget has seen double-digit growth over the past two years, with the 2012 outlay at Rs 1.93 lakh crore, a 17% increase over 2011, as the country looked to overhaul its outdated Soviet-era military hardware, as well as offset growing Chinese dominance in Asia.

"We will defer expenditure to the next financial year," Anthony said.

Separately, Antony also lashed out at the country's defence-focused public sector undertakings (PSUs), chastising them for their lack of spending on research and development.

"PSUs should spend more on R&D. Their spending has not been enough. Indigenization is a very big focus area for us, and they have to spend more on research...Hindustan Aeronautics is trying to speed up its programme to build Intermediate Jet Trainers, and they must show the results by 2015," he said.

The defence minister also expressed concern over the China's role in building Pakistan's strategic Gwadar port, which is expected to open up an energy and trade corridor for the latter, once complete. Last week, China Overseas Port Holdings was transferred the operational responsibility of the port by the Pakistani authorities.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-says-budget-cuts-wont-delay-rafale-talks/articleshow/18369525.cms

'Budget cuts won't delay Rafale talks'

BANGALORE: Govt pledged on Wednesday not to let defence cuts disrupt efforts to finalize a potential $10 billion purchase of French warplanes, but both sides played down expectations of a landmark deal in time for a visit by French President Francois Hollande next week.

India picked the Rafale combat jet, made by Dassault Aviation, for exclusive negotiations over a year ago after a hotly contested bidding war with rival manufacturers, but is still to finalize the 126-aircraft deal.

"The Rafale purchase is being reviewed by a cost negotiation committee," Defence Minister A.K. Antony told reporters.

"There are six to seven layers of procedure after that. We cannot cut short the procedure," Antony said at an air show in the southern city of Bangalore.

"There is no question of delay because of the budget cuts." In Paris, officials said the complex negotiations were going smoothly but ruled out a signature during a visit to India by Hollande on Feb. 14-15.

"Things are moving quite quickly. We hope the contract can be concluded as soon as possible but it won't be during the visit," said a French diplomatic source who declined to be named.

"India never signs military contracts during political visits, but above all, the contract is not ready yet."

Despite the modernization push, defence budget will not escape a tightening of government spending this year, Antony said, as govt looks to rein in fiscal deficit.

L'Inde devrait dépenser plus de budget dans les programmes de recherche fondamentale au lieu d’espérer pouvoir récupérer des savoir-faires "sur étagère". Ces investissements pourraient aussi contribuer aux développements de nombreux secteurs locaux.

Henri K.

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Attendons quand meme de voir si on aurait pas une bonne surprise, au cas ou la strategie de comm de l'Elysee "a la malienne" concernerait aussi les contrats d'armement...  :lol:

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HAL feels heat of private players in defence manufacturing

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hal-feels-heat-of-private-players-in-defence-manufacturing/1071704/

For the first time in over six decades of its existence, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd's (HAL) primacy in defence manufacturing is under threat with the sector opening up to increased private participation.

In an attempt to stay on top of the game, the PSU is pushing for a National Aeronautics Policy and the creation of a HAL headed India mission on offsets.

Insecurity over HAL's position in the pecking order for the manufacture of the Medium Multi Role Combat Rafale under license from French supplier Dassault Aviation has, in recent days, resulted in clarifications from Dassault and the IAF that HAL will be the lead integrator in the project despite a joint venture between Dassault and Reliance Industries set to be a big contributor in the project.

HAL officials have not publicly voiced concerns over its changing equation in the defence sector but have expressed the need for defence PSUs and labs to maintain primacy in defence aerospace manufacture policies.

At the ongoing Aero India event here on Thursday Dassault CEO Eric Trappier and Chief of Air Staff NAK Browne asserted that HAL would remain the key Indian link in the production of the Rafale in India when the final contract is signed.

"The OEM has full right to select partners to supply kits to the IAF. The IAF or the government have no issues with it," the air chief said adding that HAL would be lead integrator for the MMRCA.

"We have a special partnership with Reliance. It is a private company that wants to be in the defense sector and we are supporting this partnership. We will create a JV company,'' Dassault CEO Trappier told the PTI at the air show.

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ca reste d'un niveau relativement basic à un avion de type 3G+ version rustique, sans doute un radar aesa, un plus gros moteur, des composites, ca permet à l'inde d'apprendre, ils sont encore loin du M2000

Les caractéristiques d'évolutions restent flous et assez générique sur les choix, même sur le moteur. Yep ! excellent, ils ont copiés la perche à la Dassault  :lol: on peut leur vendre

aussi la licence du M2000 et de ses composants. ils iront plus vite et Dassault touchera des royalties.

vu l'expérience du tejas trainer, si c'est en comparaison, ils en ont pour un moment.

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Cela ne dit pas comment ils vont améliorer en aérodynamique.

Comment tu vois qu'ils ont inspiré sur la perche française? Pour moi elle ne peut qu'avoir cette allure là...

Henri K.

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Pour les avions américains, c'est majoritairement sur le dos, pour les russes c'est généralement à gauche,  les avions francais, c'est fixe à droite non rétractable,

gripen rectractable à droite, eurofighter retractable à droite (il me semble). Sur le tejas ca semble fixe à droite, ils ont pas beaucoup de place

pour la rendre retractable. ca y ressemble beaucoup mais ca peut changer d'ici à la réalisation.

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Pour les avions américains, c'est majoritairement sur le dos, pour les russes c'est généralement à gauche,  les avions francais, c'est fixe à droite non rétractable,

gripen rectractable à droite, eurofighter retractable à droite (il me semble). Sur le tejas ca semble fixe à droite, ils ont pas beaucoup de place

pour la rendre retractable. ca y ressemble beaucoup mais ca peut changer d'ici à la réalisation.

Les américains sont sur le dos car ils utilisent le ravitaillement de type rigide, plus rapide mais on ne peut ravitailler un avion à la fois. C'est le ravitailleur qui contrôle le processus de ravitaillement et non le ravitaillé.

Tous les autres ils utilisent de type souple (le tuyau est souple), mais je ne me rappelle plus la raison le choix de gauche et de droit, mais comme c'est le ravitaillé qui est actif et le ravitailleur est passif, il me semble qu'il y a une raison par rapport à l'habitude des pilotes et l'aérodynamique de l'avion...

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Henri K.

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J'ai pensé surtout mirage(F1,2000)/rafale, j'avais oublié ce pauvre sem. rétractable au milieu,  :lol: yep

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J'ai pensé surtout mirage/rafale, j'avais oublié ce pauvre sem. rétractable au milieu,  :lol: yep

Comme sur l'A-6 Intruder d'ailleurs (bon lui est biplace en côte à côte).

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j'ai trouvé ca pour ceux que cela intéresse, en anglais

Airworthiness Certification of India's Light Combat Aircraft [LCA] Tejas (2010-2011)

un pdf sur la certification

http://fr.scribd.com/doc/66350407/Airworthiness-Certification-of-India-s-Light-Combat-Aircraft-LCA-Tejas-The-Process

Plus récent

http://idrw.org/?p=18477

NP-1 after  its first flight on 27 April 2012 and with only 4 flight to it credit was pulled out to carry further Integration of systems to carry out trails from aircraft carrier, according to sources close to idrw.org NP-1 will re-join test flights in August and will shift to Goa by year end ,  Shore-Based Test Facility (SBTF) is nearing completion. Built at the Naval Air Station, INS Hansa in Goa, the facility would replicate as a static model of the Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) being built at the Cochin Shipyard.

NP-1 carried out only basics flight tests and was pulled out of test flight , Navy already has ordered 8 LCA Navy based on present MK-1 configuration , Four of them will be Trainer variant and 4 Single seat variant , ADA is working on NP-2 which will be single seat aircraft and first flight is expected by year end .

LCA Navy MK-1 will be used to Train pilots and also for other test on Shore-Based Test Facility (SBTF).LCA Navy MK-1 is powered by GE-404 engine , But Navy will only use MK-2 variant which will be powered by  GE-414 engines for operations from aircraft carriers . Navy has firm orders for 42 MK-2 aircrafts to be operated from IAC-1 and IAC-2 .

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India Touts Aerospace Engineering, Manufacturing Capabilities

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_02_04_2013_p46-542472.xml&p=1

extrait:

necessitating an improved Mk. 2 version, India through its development has acquired valuable experience with composite structures, fly-by-wire flight controls, glass cockpits and other technologies. This is expertise that can be accessed by private-sector industry to help it become a global player, says Satagopan.

“We had a lot of technologies thrown at us [with LCA]. Composites had never been developed in India, and it was the first time India had to develop its own critical hardware and software for fly-by-wire control,” he says. “We know it takes time, but today India can do co-cured and co-bonded carbon-fiber wings. We developed that on our own, and understand the design, manufacturing and certification process.”

Developing the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft has given India experience with carbon-fiber composites, fly-by-wire controls and glass-cockpit avionics.

Although to date much of the work placed with Indian industry by foreign OEMs has involved manufacturing, “increasingly we are seeing requests for proposals and work packages for engineering services,” Harris says. The MMRCA procurement will accelerate the trend, he says, as Dassault's legacy data is migrated to the platform that will be used to develop and produce an India-specific variant of the Rafale.

Tata HAL is working on a major aerostructures design package for a European airframer, while Mahindra Satyam recently completed the structural design of “high-end primary fuselage structure” for another European airframer, says Satagopan. The scale of the work required Mahindra to develop the capability to manage large programs. “We are one of the few companies that could have done such a large work package successfully,” he says. “Now we are getting similar work packages from other OEMs.”

Harris says India's aerospace engineering-services business is forecast to grow from $850 million in 2011 to $5 billion by 2022. “We are working with most of the large aerospace OEMs,” he says. “The driver to tap into India increasingly is the need for resources and talent, because the graying of the workforce in Europe and the U.S. means there are not enough engineers.”

While its engineering capability has grown to equal that of Europe and the U.S., Harris argues, India's industry offers some unique capabilities. “India has grown out of scarce resources and its people are frugal-minded. Their engineering solutions are predicated on low cost. That can't be replicated in Europe or the U.S.”

And as the industry looks set to grow while the Indian government moves ahead with massive procurements in defense and other sectors, it is expected to do so in partnership with foreign OEMs. “We are seeing a lot of opportunities in related areas such as battle management and homeland security,” says Satagopan. “It is not clear that there is a single solution provider in India. Large and long-term partnerships are required.”

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La Russie proposera à l'Inde des avions amphibies

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La Russie est prête à participer à l'appel d'offre que le ministère de l'Intérieur d'Inde se propose de lancer pour l'achat d'avions de patrouille. « Nous proposerons les avions amphibies Beriev Be-200 », a déclaré le directeur général adjoint de la société Rosoboronexport Viktor Komardine.

Il a communiqué aux journalistes dans le cadre du salon Aero India 2013 à Bangalore que les équipements des avions seraient précisés au cours des négociations.

En 2012, l'Inde a eu un portefeuille de commandes d'armes supérieur à 7 milliards de dollars.

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