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Petite question concernant le S400 : outre les gros missiles (200 et 400 km de portée) il y a deux autres types de missiles (120 et 40 km) sur DSI qui traitait la défense sol-air on disait que chaque camion lanceur-érecteur pouvait en emporter 16 : ils les empilent par 4 dans chaque tube ?

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Petite question concernant le S400 : outre les gros missiles (200 et 400 km de portée) il y a deux autres types de missiles (120 et 40 km) sur DSI qui traitait la défense sol-air on disait que chaque camion lanceur-érecteur pouvait en emporter 16 : ils les empilent par 4 dans chaque tube ?

A ma connaissance c'est 4 conteneurs par TEL quelques soit la combinaison ... les 9M96 étant quad packé dans les conteneur format 48N6.

Donc si la combinaison est de 4 quad pack de 9M96 ... ca donne effectivement 16 "petit" missile par TEL. A priori c'est plutot un panachage avec deux gros missile et 2 quadpack de petit qui est présenté.

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Le S400 existe en plusieurs config. en standard c'est 4 missiles par TEL, mais il existe aussi des versions 3+3 (3 missiles standards et 3 "petits" missile de medium range(9M96 contre les cruises missiles)).

PGM

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Et pour les missiles de 200 km de portée c'est de l'anti AWACS/ravitailleurs ou est il efficace contre les avions de chasse ?

Les missiles longue portée ou tres longue portée 48N6 - 250 km 1850kg - et 40N6 - 450 km - sont plutot destinée au cible de haute valeur... Ravitailleur, veille avancée, guerre électronique etc. Les russes annonce qu'ils manoeuvre sous 25G donc devraient aussi pourvoir taper un chasseur, d'autant que la guerre électronique se déplace sur chasseur via les EA-18.

Tu as tous les détail par ici http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-400-Triumf.html avec les 4 ТПК par TEL, et le quad package des petit missile dans un seul ТПК.

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Tu as tous les détail par ici http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-400-Triumf.html avec les 4 ТПК par TEL, et le quad package des petit missile dans un seul ТПК.

en lisant ce fan du F22 qu'est AUSAIRPOWER, je me demandais si un F22/F35 est si furtif face à de telles installations. En effet, le F22 est orienté air air et donc furtif au radar des avions ennemis, mais j'imagine que des installations au sol type S 400 (ou en mer type Horizon) doivent pouvoir jouer sur d'autres longueurs d'ondes non?

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je me demande comment ils protègent le secret de leur super calculateur d'acquisition de cible?

pour faire un tel tue mouche je ne comprend pas pourquoi ils n'ont pas une supériorité sur d'autre type d'armement par rapport à l'occident quant au soft  pour leur avion, freg...etc.

PS: tant qu'il n'y aura pas eu d'expérience réussite d'interception de cible je reste dubitatif sur la réalité des chiffres annoncés et si ces données venaient à se confirmer ce serait tout simplement ahurissant  :O 

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http://asian-defence-news.blogspot.com/2012/01/russia-arrests-chinese-spy-in-row-over.html

Russian security service has revealed that it arrested a suspected Chinese spy who posed as a translator while seeking sensitive information on an anti-aircraft system.

The man, identified as Tun Sheniyun, was arrested on 28 October last year, the federal security service (FSB) said in a statement cited by RIA-Novosti news agency.

It was unclear why the FSB disclosed the arrest on Wednesday, less than one week before the prime minister,Vladimir Putin, travels to China on an official visit.

The alleged spy was acting "under the guise of a translator of official delegations", the statement said.

He had "attempted to obtain technological and maintenance documents on the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system from Russian citizens for money", it added. That information is a state secret, it said.

Prosecutors sent the case to court on Tuesday, the statement said. Tun faces charges of attempted espionage.

Last year, Russia delivered 15 S-300 systems to China, a popular Soviet-era arms export, as part of a deal signed several years earlier. Yet Beijing has recently turned to more modern systems.

Putin's two-day visit to China next Tuesday will be his first foreign trip since he announced his planned return to the Russian presidency next year.

Ruslan Pukhov, director of the centre for analysis of strategies and technologies, a defence thinktank in Moscow, said: "They [the Chinese] are trying to copy this system illegally. They've already copied a whole series of our weapons.

"They're trying to clone the S-300, to serve their interests and also to export. As I understand it, it's not all working out. They probably wanted extra documentation to better deal with this task of reverse engineering."

A report by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (Sipri) released this week warned that the Sino-Russian relationship was growing increasingly uneasy given China's international rise.

"In the coming years, while relations will remain close at the diplomatic level, the two cornerstones of the partnership over the past two decades – military and energy co-operation – are crumbling," the thinktank wrote. "As a result, Russia's significance to China will continue to diminish."

It said that while more than 90% of China's major conventional weapons imports came from Russia between 1991 and 2010, the volume of imports had declined dramatically in the last five years.

In part, that reflected the development of its own arms industry and the fact that Russia could not meet some of the new demands of the People's Liberation Army as it developed, said Dr Paul Holtom, director of the Sipri arms transfers programme and one of the report's authors.

But it also reflected Russia's diversified customer base, which allowed it to take a tougher negotiating stance with China, particularly given anxiety about how China would use its purchases.

"Russia is unwilling to provide China with advanced weapons and technology, primarily because it is concerned that China will copy Russian technology and compete with Russia on the international arms market," said Holtom. "The nature of the arms transfer relationship will increasingly be characterised by competition rather than co-operation."

Maintenance and upgrades accounted for perhaps 10% of Russian arms transfers, meaning that Russians do not want to share related documents, he said.

But China also has concerns that some of the technology it is buying is not always up to scratch.

No one at the foreign ministry in Beijing could be reached for comment.

Earlier this year, Ukrainian authorities jailed a Russian man for six years, claiming he was stealing military secrets to further China's aircraft carrier programme.

In the past two years, Russian customs officials have also accused two Chinese citizens of attempting to smuggle spare parts for Russian fighter jets across the border.

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Sur place ou a emporter?

C'est un cadeau?  :lol: :lol: :lol:

=)

Dans mes scenar où on reverrait - enfin - notre politique d'équipement militaire, les Rafales restant à commander (une centaine je crois) seraient remplacés par divers missiles dont un sol-air lourd. Je veux donc savoir combien on peut s'en payer par Rafale non commandé.

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