Charles XII Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Du nouveau sur la bataille d'Azincourt, il est possible que la supériorité numérique Française ait été fortement éxagérée.Les chiffres de cette étude donnerait des forces quasiment égales:extrait en Anglais"The Battle of Agincourt was for centuries believed to be an engagement in which the English army, though overwhelmingly outnumbered 4 to 1 by the French army, pulled off a stunning victory. However, recent research by professor Anne Curry using the original enrollment records, has brought into question this interpretation and although her research is not finished, she has published her initial findings, that the French only outnumbered the English and Welsh 12,000 to 8,000. If true, the numbers may have been exaggerated for patriotic reasons by the English." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochambeau Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 La source est fiable?Il serait intéressant de voir la suite de l'affaire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Curry's research is currently alone in putting the odds at significantly less than this. Link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Agincourt#Modern_re-assessment_of_Agincourt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E11 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 Quelqu'un avait déjà entendu parler de l' "Agincourt Carol", c'est un chant écrit au 15ème siècle relatant la bataille d'Azincourt. Il est surprenant au regard des écrits des historiens modernes que les archers que nous rendons responsables de la victoire ne soient même pas cité dans le chant.Sinon le chant est pas mal, il met bien dans l'ambiance de l'époque, il est disponible sur cette page: 10ème titre "Agincourt carol" :http://www.gothicvoices.co.uk/c4p0.phpLes paroles sont sur wiki :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agincourt_Carol Deo gratias Anglia redde pro victoria! Owre Kynge went forth to Normandy With grace and myght of chyvalry Ther God for hym wrought mervelusly; Wherefore Englonde may call and cry Chorus Deo gratias: Deo gratias Anglia redde pro victoria. He sette sege, forsothe to say, To Harflu towne with ryal aray; That toune he wan and made afray That Fraunce shal rewe tyl domesday. Chorus Then went hym forth, owre king comely, In Agincourt feld he faught manly; Throw grace of God most marvelsuly, He had both feld and victory. Chorus Ther lordys, erles and barone Were slayne and taken and that full soon, Ans summe were broght into Lundone With joye and blisse and gret renone. Chorus Almighty God he keep owre kynge, His peple, and alle his well-wyllynge, And give them grace wythoute endyng; Then may we call and savely syng: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durandal2 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 Quelqu'un avait déjà entendu parler de l' "Agincourt Carol", c'est un chant écrit au 15ème siècle relatant la bataille d'Azincourt. Il est surprenant au regard des écrits des historiens modernes que les archers que nous rendons responsables de la victoire ne soient même pas cité dans le chant. Sinon le chant est pas mal, il met bien dans l'ambiance de l'époque, il est disponible sur cette page: 10ème titre "Agincourt carol" : http://www.gothicvoices.co.uk/c4p0.php Les paroles sont sur wiki : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agincourt_Carol Deo gratias Anglia redde pro victoria! Owre Kynge went forth to Normandy With grace and myght of chyvalry Ther God for hym wrought mervelusly; Wherefore Englonde may call and cry Chorus Deo gratias: Deo gratias Anglia redde pro victoria. He sette sege, forsothe to say, To Harflu towne with ryal aray; That toune he wan and made afray That Fraunce shal rewe tyl domesday. Chorus Then went hym forth, owre king comely, In Agincourt feld he faught manly; Throw grace of God most marvelsuly, He had both feld and victory. Chorus Ther lordys, erles and barone Were slayne and taken and that full soon, Ans summe were broght into Lundone With joye and blisse and gret renone. Chorus Almighty God he keep owre kynge, His peple, and alle his well-wyllynge, And give them grace wythoute endyng; Then may we call and savely syng: Ce n'est pas vraiment une surprise, non seulement il n'y a pas de détail sur la bataille elle même mais en plus les archers sont Gallois et pas Anglais, et ce ne sont que des archers pour lesquels les nobles Anglais comme les nobles Français, n'ont que méprit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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