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Bonjour,

Je ne sais pas si c'est bien ici que je dois poster ce sujet, si ce n'est pas le cas je m'en excuse  :O

Alors voilà, j'ai 17ans, je souhaiterais m'engager dans l'Armée (Armée de Terre: Soldat, ou au poste de tir dans l'artillerie ou les blindés, Marine: fusilier marin je crois) après le bac, j'aimerai bien savoir quels sont les tests, etc...  =)

Si vous avez des infos hésitez pas quoi  ;)

Physiquement, bah pas au top, j'aligne 30 pompes maximum et question course d'endurance je suis moyen, mais je suis motivé pour progresser. Est-ce que j'ai mes chances?

Je m'interroge aussi sur le 'temps libre' dans l'Armée (c'est à dire la fréquence des permissions, si on peut utiliser son téléphone portable le soir par exemple, des trucs comme ça), si on vit convenablement avec 1000€/mois, si niveau famille c'est pas trop dur, ...

Merci d'avance  ;)

Edit: je suis legerement myope aussi  :O

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En résumé rapide :

1° aller au CIRFA de son département

2° Démarrer un entretien avec un recruteur qui donnera normallement toutes les infos nécessaires

3° Si la carrière de militaire te plait et que tu n'as pas de problèmes immédiatement apparents ou connus (handicapé physique, repris de justice, grave opération comme par ex. l'ablation d'un poumon, ...), le recruteur ouvrira un dossier de recrutement.

4° Dans ton cas si tu es bachelier tu pourras te porter candidat comme EVAT (engagé volontaire de l'armée de terre = soldat) ou comme EVSO (Engagé Volontaire Sous-officier) ... il existe aussi le contrat de VDAT mais moins intéressant.

5° Tu passeras dans un CSO (Centre de Séléction et d'Orientation), il y en a 5 en France ou tu subiras des examens médicaux (santé générale, vue, ouie, prise de sang, test d'urine, ....), des examens "sportifs" (course rythmée, tractions barre fixe, parcours d'obstacle, ...), des examens "d'intelligence" (tests logiques), des examens de personnalités, plus encore des entretiens avec des spécialistes du recrutement. Cette période dure 3 jours.

6° Après cela on te donne un SIGYCOP, qui est en fait la valeur chiffrée de ta forme physique (S membres Supérieurs, I membres Inférieurs ,Y Yeux, G etat Général, C sens Chromatique,O Oreilles, P Psychisme) 1111111 est le meilleur niveau possible 6666666 est le plus mauvais. Il y a selon les fonctions des valeurs minimum (pour EVAT : 3235431), Pilote de Char (3233331), Fantassin (2225431), Para (2123321), ...

7° Ce SIGYCOP et tes résultats aux différents examens donnent également un niveau exprimé en E1 (Très bon - bon), E2 (moyen), E3 (passable -minimum), ou inapte. Tout ce qui est péchu (para, infanterie, alpins, coloniaux, ...) demande un niveau E1, et même pas tous les E1 sont repris, E2 passe parfois dans des spécialités moins physiques et connaissant moins de succès (Train, transmissions, services, ...), E3 quasiement aucune chance.

8° En fonction de ton niveau et des places dispos (ton recruteur peut t'indiquer quand tel ou tel régiment recrute), tu peux te porter candidat. Pas la peine de solliciter le 8e RPIMa avec un niveau E2. Une commission se réunit tout les 15 jours dans chaque Région Terre et examine les candidatures et les places dispos et retient les candidats qui semblent pour elle (la commission) les plus aptes à servir. Attention, c'est pas nécessairement le plus intelligent et le plus fort qui gagne, c'est celui qui représente le meilleur profil recherché (un gars "trop intelligent" ne plaira pas pour faire un simple soldat, car il risque de se poser trop de questions)

9° Si tu es retenu, tu rejoins ton régiment dans les 6 à 10 semaines et tu commences ta formation.

Pour tes autres questions :

Le sport : tu as 17 ans donc tu peux certainement encore progresser, surtout que tu as minimum 1 an devant toi. Privilège les sports d'endurance (footing, natation, vélo, rando montagne) avec quelques exercices de force (pompes, abdo, tractions à la barre fixe). Le profil recherché : "chat maigre", pas le musclé à la Schwarzenegger, mais plutôt coureur de fond.

Temps libre : ça dépend ce que tu ferras. Si t'es fantassin t'en auras pas tellement de temps libre, entre les OPEX (tout les ans quaisiement), les stages, camps d'entrainement et permissions (45 jours de congés par an). Si tu es artilleur ou pilote de char, tu risques de moins bouger, mais cela reste encore assez actif. Normallement si tu n'es pas en service tu pourras utiliser ton portable à la caserne ou au camp, sauf en OPEX (question de sécurité).

Salaire : 1.000 €/mois minimum + prime en OPEX et en exercices, cela peut monter facilement à 1400/1800 € par mois en moyenne. Et comme tu n'as quaisement rien à payer (logé, nourri, blanchi), c'est quasiement uniquement de l'argent de poche.

Pour la myopie : ça dépend du niveau de myopie, seul un examen médical de ta vue peux en dire plus

Clairon

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Dites, tant qu'on est dans tout ce qui est formation armée, est-ce qu'il existe une formation supérieure (master ou des trucs comme ça) qui porte sur la défense ?

parce que je suis à la recherche d'un minsitre de la défense qui tienne la route (j'ai trouvé Pierre Lellouche et Yves Fromion) et qui soit nommé pour ses qualités plutôt que pour ses relations avec le président...  O0

J'ai trouvé qu'il existait un DESS defense et relations internationales ?

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Le profil recherché : "chat maigre", pas le musclé à la Schwarzenegger, mais plutôt coureur de fond.

Clairon

Ça compromet vraiment nos chances si on est plus vers le "musclé à la Schwarzenegger" ?

Sachant que je vais au moins jusqu'au pallier 8 du luc léger et je fais quasiment une une quinzaines d'heures de sports par semaine...

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Ça compromet vraiment nos chances si on est plus vers le "musclé à la Schwarzenegger" ?

Sachant que je vais au moins jusqu'au pallier 8 du luc léger et je fais quasiment une une quinzaines d'heures de sports par semaine...

Ca ne compromet jamais rien, simplement le profil "coureur de fond" passe générallement mieux .... Palier 8 du Luc Léger est le strict minimum pour l'infanterie, insuffisant pour les paras.

Clairon

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Le palier 10 étant le maximum possible, bien bosser les tractions qui aussi déterminantes (20 permet dans mettre plein la vue mais faut pas mal d'entrainement!)

Généralement ce sont les candidats à la BSPP qui ont le record de tractions par pronation.

Surtout bien redescendre sinon la traction n'est pas comptée.

Il faut donner son maximum pour épater les gars, montrer que l'on en veut.

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En cas de guerre de haute intensité, l'armée rappelle les appelés du contingent à l'époque où ca existait ?

Non, pas vraiment. Deux possibilités :

1° La loi actuelle prevoit la possibilité de rappeler sous les drapeaux tous les personnels ayant quitté l'institution il y a moins de 5 ans

2° Une loi pourrait décider de la mobilisation et donc du retour de la conscription, comme les anglais l'ont fait en 1914 et en 1940.

De toute façon comme il n'y a aucun stock d'armements ou presque, mobiliser plus de 50 à 100.000 personnels ne servirait pas à grand chose.

Clairon

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ENGAGEZ VOUS !!! ... dans l'armée US :)

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/12/26/military_considers_recruiting_foreigners/

Military considers recruiting foreigners

Expedited citizenship would be an incentive

WASHINGTON -- The armed forces, already struggling to meet recruiting goals, are considering expanding the number of noncitizens in the ranks -- including disputed proposals to open recruiting stations overseas and putting more immigrants on a faster track to US citizenship if they volunteer -- according to Pentagon officials.

Foreign citizens serving in the US military is a highly charged issue, which could expose the Pentagon to criticism that it is essentially using mercenaries to defend the country. Other analysts voice concern that a large contingent of noncitizens under arms could jeopardize national security or reflect badly on Americans' willingness to serve in uniform.

The idea of signing up foreigners who are seeking US citizenship is gaining traction as a way to address a critical need for the Pentagon, while fully absorbing some of the roughly one million immigrants that enter the United States legally each year.

The proposal to induct more noncitizens, which is still largely on the drawing board, has to clear a number of hurdles. So far, the Pentagon has been quiet about specifics -- including who would be eligible to join, where the recruiting stations would be, and what the minimum standards might involve, including English proficiency. In the meantime, the Pentagon and immigration authorities have expanded a program that accelerates citizenship for legal residents who volunteer for the military.

And since Sept. 11, 2001, the number of imm igrants in uniform who have become US citizens has increased from 750 in 2001 to almost 4,600 last year, according to military statistics.

With severe manpower strains because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- and a mandate to expand the overall size of the military -- the Pentagon is under pressure to consider a variety of proposals involving foreign recruits, according to a military affairs analyst.

"It works as a military idea and it works in the context of American immigration," said Thomas Donnelly , a military scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute in Washington and a leading proponent of recruiting more foreigners to serve in the military.

As the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan grind on, the Pentagon has warned Congress and the White House that the military is stretched "to the breaking point."

Both President Bush and Robert M. Gates, his new defense secretary, have acknowledged that the total size of the military must be expanded to help alleviate the strain on ground troops, many of whom have been deployed repeatedly in combat theaters.

Bush said last week that he has ordered Gates to come up with a plan for the first significant increase in ground forces since the end of the Cold War. Democrats who are preparing to take control of Congress, meanwhile, promise to make increasing the size of the military one of their top legislative priorities in 2007.

"With today's demands placing such a high strain on our service members, it becomes more crucial than ever that we work to alleviate their burden," said Representative Ike Skelton , a Missouri Democrat who is set to chair the House Armed Services Committee, and who has been calling for a larger Army for more than a decade.

But it would take years and billions of dollars to recruit, train, and equip the 30,000 troops and 5,000 Marines the Pentagon says it needs. And military recruiters, fighting the perception that signing up means a ticket to Baghdad, have had to rely on financial incentives and lower standards to meet their quotas.

That has led Pentagon officials to consider casting a wider net for noncitizens who are already here, said Lieutenant Colonel Bryan Hilferty , an Army spokesman.

Already, the Army and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement division of the Department of Homeland Security have "made it easier for green-card holders who do enlist to get their citizenship," Hilferty said.

Other Army officials, who asked not to be identified, said personnel officials are working with Congress and other parts of the government to test the feasibility of going beyond US borders to recruit soldiers and Marines.

Currently, Pentagon policy stipulates that only immigrants legally residing in the United States are eligible to enlist. There are currently about 30,000 noncitizens who serve in the US armed forces, making up about 2 percent of the active-duty force, according to statistics from the military and the Council on Foreign Relations. About 100 noncitizens have died in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A recent change in US law, however, gave the Pentagon authority to bring immigrants to the United States if it determines it is vital to national security. So far, the Pentagon has not taken advantage of it, but the calls are growing to take use the new authority.

Indeed, some top military thinkers believe the United States should go as far as targeting foreigners in their native countries.

"It's a little dramatic," said Michael O'Hanlon , a military specialist at the nonpartisan Brookings Institution and another supporter of the proposal. "But if you don't get some new idea how to do this, we will not be able to achieve an increase" in the size of the armed forces.

"We have already done the standard things to recruit new soldiers, including using more recruiters and new advertising campaigns," O'Hanlon added.

O'Hanlon and others noted that the country has relied before on sizable numbers of noncitizens to serve in the military -- in the Revolutionary War, for example, German and French soldiers served alongside the colonists, and locals were recruited into US ranks to fight insurgents in the Philippines.

Other nations have recruited foreign citizens: In France, the famed Foreign Legion relies on about 8,000 noncitizens; Nepalese soldiers called Gurkhas have fought and died with British Army forces for two centuries; and the Swiss Guard, which protects the Vatican, consists of troops who hail from many nations.

"It is not without historical precedent," said Donnelly, author of a recent book titled "The Army We Need," which advocates for a larger military.

Still, to some military officials and civil rights groups, relying on large number of foreigners to serve in the military is offensive.

The Hispanic rights advocacy group National Council of La Raza has said the plan sends the wrong message that Americans themselves are not willing to sacrifice to defend their country. Officials have also raised concerns that immigrants would be disproportionately sent to the front lines as "cannon fodder" in any conflict.

Some within the Army privately express concern that a big push to recruit noncitizens would smack of "the decline of the American empire," as one Army official who asked not to be identified put it.

Officially, the military remains confident that it can meet recruiting goals -- no matter how large the military is increased -- without having to rely on foreigners.

"The Army can grow to whatever size the nation wants us to grow to," Hilferty said. "National defense is a national challenge, not the Army's challenge."

He pointed out that just 15 years ago, during the Gulf War, the Army had a total of about 730,000 active-duty soldiers, amounting to about one American in 350 who were serving in the active-duty Army.

"Today, with 300 million Americans and about 500,000 active-duty soldiers, only about one American in 600 is an active-duty soldier," he said. "America did then, and we do now, have an all-volunteer force, and I see no reason why America couldn't increase the number of Americans serving."

But Max Boot, a national security specialist at the Council on Foreign Relations, said that the number of noncitizens the armed forces have now is relatively small by historical standards.

"In the 19th century, when the foreign-born population of the United States was much higher, so was the percentage of foreigners serving in the military," Boot wrote in 2005.

"During the Civil War, at least 20 percent of Union soldiers were immigrants, and many of them had just stepped off the boat before donning a blue uniform. There were even entire units, like the 15th Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry [the Scandinavian Regiment] and General Louis Blenker's German Division, where English was hardly spoken."

"The military would do well today to open its ranks not only to legal immigrants but also to illegal ones and, as important, to untold numbers of young men and women who are not here now but would like to come," Boot added.

"No doubt many would be willing to serve for some set period, in return for one of the world's most precious commodities -- US citizenship. Some might deride those who sign up as mercenaries, but these troops would have significantly different motives than the usual soldier of fortune."

Bryan Bender can be reached at bender@globe.com. 

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Alors voilà, j'ai 17ans, je souhaiterais m'engager dans l'Armée (Armée de Terre: Soldat, ou au poste de tir dans l'artillerie ou les blindés, Marine: fusilier marin je crois) après le bac, j'aimerai bien savoir quels sont les tests, etc...  =)

Tu as 17 ans ? tu n'a pas eu ces informations lors de ta Journée d'Appel ?
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