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http://www.informationdissemination.net/2009/10/taiwans-secret-new-littoral-warship.html

Taiwans Secret New Littoral Warship

This article popped up today as the most interesting development for the Taiwan Navy in a long time. Here is a translation/summary courtesy of ID regular Altoid.

    The 2010 defense budget was sent to the Legislative Yuan for approval, where the existence of a 900-ton coastal-defense missile-boat development program was inadvertently placed in the non-classified budget. This ship will have stealthed features, and will be the ROC Navy's first multi-hull (catamaran) ship class, and will be equipped with eight Hsiung Feng III anti-ship missiles.

    Taiwan's mid- and small- warships were once very numerous 30 years ago, but by modern standards they are old with anemic firepower. The current main strength of Taiwan's missile craft fleet is the Hai Ou class (Dvora), and 2 200-ton Lung Chiang class, one of which was built in Taiwan, with extremely poor capabilities, with long dock stays. The other ship also has had operational difficulties, including fire. Additionally, the more recent domestically-produced Ching Chiang class has not performed to initial expectations.

    Because the PLAN has recently introduced the stealthy, high-speed Type 022 into mass-production and operational service, our missile systems will be hard-pressed to counter this, and our small and large warships will be severely threatened, and our military has been grasping for a solution.

    Under the DPP administration, the navy designed the Kuang-Hwa VI class missile boat, but during the contract bidding process, the contractors used business and political connections to influence the selection committee, resulting in a unfair process and numerous corruption scandals. This delayed construction, and although the program is now in mass-production, it is already inferior to the Type 022.

    To match communist China's strength, the navy has secretly started a new development program, and has completed it's twin-hull design, but not the systems loadout. The 2010 defense budget has allocations for the development of the necessary systems.

    According to legislative sources, this new missile-craft will have a 900-ton displacement, will be used for coastal defense, but also have the flavor of larger missile corvettes, and be specifically designed to counter the Type 022. It will have a dual-hull, stealth capability, eight Hsiung Feng III antiship missiles, auto-cannons, with a total length of 40 meters, and a crew complement of 45.

The translation is correct, but it is possible the reporter has the details wrong. Maybe not though? What exactly does a 40 meter, 900 ton SWATH armed like a FAC with a rather large crew of 45 look like? At 900 tons, it sounds like the design trades speed for sea keeping.

I have discussed the Type 022 as the Chinese Streetfighter several times on the blog, but reading this article has me wondering if perhaps Taiwan has decided to counter with its own version of the proposed SEA LANCE. A creative SWATH idea sourced to the Naval Postgraduate School, SEA LANCE (26 MB PDF) was around 50 meters and 600 tons, and was designed with 51 VLS cells. That is about the only warship design I can think of similar to what the news article is discussing.

Considering this ship is about the same dimensions as a Type 022, which is 43 meters long and goes for about 220-250 tons; is it possible the extra weight comes from armor and this design represents a new theoretical approach to littoral warfare? We don't usually put much emphasis in armor on ships anymore, and I'm not sure if armor would make a difference on a 900 ton ship.

With that said, there have been design ideas floating around to put a sort of double hulled, cage type armor around littoral ships to protect them from modern anti-ship missiles, and cover the cage with a stealth composite material to produce small stealthy missile corvettes that were survivable against a direct attack.

I'm just speculating. I look forward to seeing whether the size of this ship is reported accurately, and if so what it looks like. Building missile boats to fight missile boats strikes me as an odd approach, as helicopters are obviously the more effective approach. Still, Taiwan is smarter to build large numbers of littoral streetfighters than building more larger western frigates and destroyers, as the challenge they face is quantity not quality.

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Et voguent les navires

Mercredi 19 mai 2010

Dix patrouilleurs rapides lance-missiles de conception locale ont été baptisés hier à la base navale de Zuoying, près de Kaohsiung. Construits par China Ship Building Corporation (CSBC), les plus grands chantiers navals taiwanais, ces navires furtifs de 34,2 m de long et de 7,6 m de large peuvent atteindre la vitesse de 33 nœuds. Ils sont équipés de missiles air-air Hsiung Feng IIE, de construction taiwanaise également. Ces dix patrouilleurs de classe Haichiao s’ajoutent aux douze premiers déjà livrés à la Marine. Dix-huit autres devraient suivre d’ici la fin 2011.

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U.S. To Sell Taiwan Two Frigates.  (Les USA vendent d'occasion 2 Perry à Taïwan)

TAIPEI - The U.S. will arm Taiwan with two frigates to help the island boost its defense capabilities against China, according to reports Aug. 5.

The U.S. government has notified Taiwan of the sale at a price of $40 million of two Perry-class frigates about to be retired from the U.S. Navy,

"Taiwan's navy already operates a fleet of eight such frigates, but it has launched a five-year buildup beginning from 2008," naval spokesman Hsia Yu-teh said.

Taiwanese media have said the planned buildup includes eight conventional submarines, as well as an undisclosed number of frigates and guided-missile patrol boats.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4736081&c=ASI&s=SEA

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Taïwan réalise une percée dans les technologies furtives

Taïwan a développé un matériau absorbant les ondes radar.Des essais ont montré qu’un patrouilleur lance-missiles de 50 tonnes, de la classe Seagull, peint avec ce revêtement, n’apparaissait pas sur l’écran radar avant qu’il ne puisse être vu à l’œil nu.

http://www.corlobe.tk/article25002.html

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_687036.html

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J'ai un sérieux doute sur s'il est capable de traverser le rideau composé de plusieurs CIWS 11x30mm à 9000 tours et surtout de HQ-10.

Moi j'aurais surtout de sérieux doute de la capacité des CIWS à flingué des missiles bi-soniques. Quelque soit la génération.
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http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=7934063&c=SEA&s=TOP

Pourquoi à chaque fois je vois ces nouvelles j'ai une envie soudaine de dire "Cela nous apprendra..."?  :-[

On ne connait pas tout du scandale des frégates, je te recommande le documentaire "manipulations : une histoire française" qui passe actuellement sur France 5 le dimanche soir.

Malheureusement j'ai des doutes sur la capacité de nos politiques à retenir les leçons du passé.

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Les Kuang Hua VI sont de bons navires bien adaptés à la défense de Taiwan : petits et correctement armés, je pense qu'ils ont plus de chance de survire qu'un navire plus imposant comme le Kang Ding.

Sinon sur la dernière série de photos, plusieurs marins semblent être des Taiwanais "indigénes".

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Taiwan giving up on US made submarines, considering local production

Taiwan has all but given up on acquiring diesel-electric submarines from the US and is expected to embark on a domestic program with assistance from abroad, a leading defense analyst told the Taipei Times. Longstanding plans to augment Taiwan’s small and aging submarine fleet gained momentum in 2001, when the administration of US president George W. Bush offered to provide eight diesel-electric submarines to Taiwan for about US$12 billion.

With efforts going nowhere, in 2003 the Pentagon suggested that Taiwan consider buying refurbished submarines from Italy, and Rome reportedly agreed to sell four Nazario Sauro-class boats and an additional four following their decommissioning by the Italian Navy. However, Taipei rejected the offer, saying it wanted new submarines.

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Military sources claim that research on submarine building has been launched and that the navy is trying to acquire production know-how from abroad.

The ministry has reportedly commissioned a local shipbuilder to contract a country other than the US capable of building submarines for cooperation in building non-nuclear-powered boats.

The Naval Shipbuilding Development Center under Navy Command has been very busy studying the blueprints of the navy’s two Hai Lung-class submarines — Taiwan’s only combat-ready subs — which were acquired from the Netherlands in the late 1980s.

Naval authorities are also reportedly readying to send personnel abroad to study production technology or negotiate technology transfers for building pressure-resistant hulls, which sources say is the most challenging aspect in building submarines.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=242

Quel pays serait pret à partager son "know how" ?

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Gilles traduit les articles  http://www.corlobe.tk/article27008.html

Quel pays serait pret à partager son "know how" ?

Celui qui n'aura pas peur des représailles commerciales chinoises.  :lol: ...La France, non à cause de l'embargo.

Les Allemands non, ils commercent beaucoup à la Chine...L'Espagne, non ils aimeraient que les chinois achètent de leurs dettes.

Les Suédois, non ils sont neutres et les allemands détiennent leurs chantiers Kochums

La Corée du Sud, transferts de technologies allemandes.

Le Japon, non ils sont pas fous  :lol:

Les Russes pour faire chier les Chinois d'avoir copier beaucoup de choses  :oops:

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Taiwan s’apprête à construire un système de navigation aérienne aux Spratleys

Mardi 7 février 2012

« Un système de navigation aérienne tactique », c’est ainsi que le colonel David Lo [羅紹和], porte-parole du ministère de la Défense, a décrit le projet que Taipei s’apprête à développer sur Taiping, la plus importante île de l’archipel des Spartleys située en mer de Chine méridionale.

« Le système n’est pas une arme et ne représentera pas de menace militaire pour les autres Etats dans cette région », a précisé David Lo, selon lequel l’objectif est de guider les appareils qui atterriront sur Taiping. Si aucune autre information n’était disponible au ministère de la Défense, un quotidien insulaire en langue chinoise révèle que les travaux débuteront ce mois-ci et devraient durer 2 mois. La construction devrait prendre la forme d’un phare de huit mètres de haut.

L’archipel des Spratleys, soit plus d’une centaine d’îlots et autres atolls répartis sur une zone d’une centaine de kilomètres carrés, fait l’objet d’une dispute de souveraineté avec le Viêt-nam, Brunei, la Chine, la Malaisie et les Philippines, et est réputé riche en pétrole et en gaz. Il s’agit en outre de l’une des routes maritimes les plus fréquentées du monde. Tous les protagonistes du conflit, à l’exception de Brunei, y ont développé une posture militaire.

Taiwan Info

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Les sous-marins taïwanais seront équipés de missiles américains

La marine de Taïwan va équiper ses sous-marins pour la toute première fois de missiles anti-navires à partir de l’an prochain, rapporte la presse locale.

La marine, qui a commandé en 2008 des missiles Harpoon, a récemment testé les missiles aux Etats-Unis, en vue de les installer sur ses 2 sous-marins actuellement en service.

Les missiles seront installés sur les 2 sous-marins l’an prochain, indique la presse, citant des sources anonymes. Au total, la marine disposera de plus de 30 missiles, d’une portée de 120 km.

La marine de Taïwan a refusé de confirmer cette information.

http://www.corlobe.tk/article27795.html

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Taïwan dément l’achat de sous-marins allemands

Le ministère taïwanais a indiqué dimanche qu’il cherchait toujours à acheter des sous-marins auprès des Etats-Unis. Il a démenti un article indiquant que l’Allemagne avait proposé de vendre des sous-marins à Taïwan.

Dans sa dernière édition, l’hebdomadaire en langue chinoise Yazhou Zhoukan a indiqué que l’Allemagne proposait à Taïwan d’acheter des U-214 commandés par la Grèce. A cause de la crise financière, la Grèce est maintenant incapable de payer ces sous-marins, selon l’article.

Cependant, le ministère a qualifié l’article de « pure spéculation » et précisé qu’il « n’avait jamais entendu une telle information ».

Le ministère a précisé qu’il cherchait toujours à acheter des sous-marins classiques auprès des Etats-Unis.

http://www.corlobe.tk/article27836.html

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La seul solution que je vois c'est que les USA achètent des Soum classique en Europe pour une raison ridicule inventer et puis les revendent aux Taïwanais.

Peut être que sa passerait mieux politiquement parlant comme ça.

wai et ils en profiterons pour lancer le vidar 36 uk pour concurrencer dcns

effectivement, bon plan

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