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Il y a 3 heures, Alcide NITRYK a dit :
Manoeuvres à la frontière germano-polonaise, pour ne pas froisser la Russie. En Mazurie, Poutine aurait froncé les sourcils.
Il n'y a pas des raisons politiques, mais militaire.
Les deux plus grandes terrains d'essai sont situées dans l'ouest de la Pologne. Zagan-36.000 ha et Drawsko- 33.000 ha. C'est un lieu de stationnement des forces blindées polonaises avec des chars Leopard2 (10 et 34 brigade).
Pour protéger la “Suwałki isthmus” sont fournis de forces mobile situé à Orzysz, pres de Bemowo Piskie. Bataillon américain avec 67 véhicules Stryker.
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Il y a 2 heures, collectionneur a dit :
Varsovie envisage réellement des F-35 après toute les critiques sur ce programme ????
Pas d'argent pour F-35. L'affaire sera terminée au niveau des déclarations des politiciens.
Je pense que la meilleure solution est un nouveau F-16 Viper avec le radar AESA. Mais réaliste, ce sera un don USA, F-16 du désert.
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L'achat de 96 F-16 d'occase est pas réel. Ce sont les rêves d'un journaliste.
Jour plus tard, vice-ministre a nié ces révélations. Ils sont au stade de l'étude. “Dans deux mois nous saurons si nous pouvons nous permettre le F-35 neuf, ou acheter F-16 d'occasion avec MLU en Pologne.”
Nous ne pouvons pas nous permettre plus de 96 avions multirole. Ce n'est pas seulement le prix des avions. Elle a également formé des équipes et des infrastructures. En Pologne, nous avons deux bases aériennes pour F-16 ( Krzesiny et Łask). Łask pourrait prendre un deuxième escadron, mais ont besoin de rénover la troisième base pour les deux escadrons suivants. Nous commençons juste à construire notre propre système de formation de pilotes.
Vraiment 32 F-16 avec une plus grande autonomie dans le maintien, sera un succès.
Leonardo propose AW101 comme SAR.
CitationThe Ministry of National Defence Republic of Poland is looking to order AW101 Merlin multi-role helicopters for search and rescue (SAR), airborne mine countermeasures and ship-based utility missions.
The AW101 Merlin is a long range, medium lift helicopter developed by Leonardo-Finmeccanica company. The Merlin has been designed to perform naval warfare missions (ASW and ASuW), search and rescue (SAR), and military utility missions.
The AW101 helicopter can also be armed with anti-ship missiles, air-to-air missiles, air-to-surface missiles, rockets and gun systems. The typical range and endurance of the AW101 are 1,300km and six hours respectively.
The first AW101 helicopter entered service in 2000. It has been selected by the United Kingdom, Italy, Janan, Denmark and Canada with more than 200 aircraft ordered to date.
Early the Polish government has cancelled talks with Airbus Helicopters on a multi-billion euro deal to buy military helicopters.
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Il y a 2 heures, ManuG a dit :
Je pensais voir un article sur les blindés US fraîchement débarqués "camo tempête du désert" :)
http://www.polska-zbrojna.pl/home/galleryshow/1617?t=Sila-pancernego-wsparcia-#prettyPhoto
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il y a 37 minutes, Ciders a dit :
... le chauffeur du camion pouvait être un alcoolique polonais...
Le camion était polonais. Il appartenait à la société de transport familial de Poméranie.
Le camion a conduit avec la cargaison d'Italie et attendant le déchargement à Berlin. L'épouse a perdu le contact avec le conducteur après 16h. -
Le contrat pour 96 obusiers automatiques signé.
CitationPolish Ministry of Defence plans to acquire equipment for four squadron-sized units utilizing the Krab SPH. On 14th December, in the afternoon, it is planned that a contract is signed, which is going to be one of the most significant, if not the most significant, agreements signed by the Polish Defence industry in the period after 1989. The value of the contract in question, the conclusion of which was announced during his visit at the HSW S.A. facility by the Polish Defence Minister, Antoni Macierewicz, is to be close to PLN 4.5 billion.
The subject of the agreement concluded between the Polish Ministry of Defence and HSW S.A. is going to cover procurement of equipment for four “Regina” squadron-sized fire modules (DMO), involving, among other equipment, 96 155 mm “Krab” SPHs based on a tracked chassis.
At the moment, HSW S.A. is in process of delivering the equipment for the first Regina unit. The first two examples of the new version of the “Krab” SPH, utilizing the polonized chassis of the South Korean K9 “Thunder” howitzer have been officially handed off on 28th April, during a ceremony of concluding the 970 million zlotys worth contract, the goal of which is to regulate the procurement of equipment for eight support companies before 2019. The said acquisition programme also covers purchase of 64 “Rak” self-propelled mortars, based on the Rosomak APC platform. Delivery of another 9 Krabs that have passed the final handing-off test programme has been confirmed by the Polish Defence Minister, in person, on 18th November.
Deliveries of the equipment for the first of the “Regina” units, in line with the agreement signed with the Polish Ministry of Defence, are to be finalized in mid-2017. Nonetheless, the HSW facility is ready to finalize the whole procurement at least a quarter before that.
“Krab” [Crab] will be the third of the Stalowa-Wola made crustacean, following the “Langusta” [Crawfish] rocket launchers (75 examples delivered) and “Rak” [Crayfish] self-propelled mortar, becoming a part of the armament of the Polish Army. WR-300 “Homar” [Lobster] is going to be next. Nonetheless, the exact timeline of the programme has not yet been approved.
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Il y a 4 heures, Kiriyama a dit :
Peut-être le Apache, ce serait logique.
Je pense que l'Apache est trop cher. Probablement la deuxième proposition est un T-129 ATAK turc.
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Il y a 15 heures, Teenytoon a dit :
Qui est en concurrence ?
L'un est la Viper. Quel est le second je n'ai aucune idée.
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La Russie renforce sa présence militaire au Bélarus.
CitationRussian Ministry of Defence is planning, during the year 2017, to deploy 80 times more soldiers to Belarus, as compared to the preceding years. Officially, the said initiative is related to the “Zapad-2017” exercise which is scheduled to take place next year, nonetheless, the Belarusian opposition suggests that the movement may constitute a prelude for taking over military control over the country, launch aggression against Ukraine, Baltic states, or against Poland.
The information pertaining to the planned steps which are to be taken in Belarus, somewhat concerning, has been made widely available within public documents, related to the next year’s contracts. As usually, the Ministry of Defence has started a tender, regarding the international military railway cargo services. Briefly speaking, the aforesaid contracts refer to transport of equipment and military materials on special purpose trains.
According to the Belarusian media, back in 2015, the contract concerning the railway transportation to Belarus included 125 carriages, with only 50 carriages expected to be contracted in 2016. On the other hand, the same contract referring to the year 2017, includes transport services which are to involve 4126 carriages, more than 80-fold more, than this year. The comparison above makes one realize the scale of operations which are to be undertaken by the Russian forces, within the territory of Belarus, next year.
Russian Ministry of Defence calms the analysts down, informing that the transport operation is related to the “Zapad 2017” military exercise, regularly involving the armed forces of both nations. This time, as it was announced by Sergey Shoygu, at the beginning of November, “when the scenario concept for the exercise is being developed, the situation related to increased NATO activity at the border of the Union State is going to be taken into account”. However, the transport needs indicate that the Russian forces are going to deploy a number division-sized units, to take part in the operation.
Some Belarusian activists and members of the opposition suggest that exercise of so expansive scale would lead to permanent deployment of Russian military units within the territory of the country. They directly suggest that some of the forces of the 1st Guards Tank Army formed back in 2014, stationed within the area of the Western Military District, would be deployed to Belarus. The newly formed Army-sized element is tasked, as the Russian MoD suggests, with protecting Moscow from a threat posed by Baltic States, Finland and Belarus’s neighbours. The said unit continues the traditions of the 1st Guards Tank Army which, during the Cold War, was stationed in East Germany and which was disbanded in 1998.
The Russian forces, deployed with the use of four thousand train carriages, stationed in Belarus could be potentially tasked with establishment of a permanent military base, or with launching aggression against northern Ukraine, Baltic States, or even Poland.
Potential aggression seems to be unlikely, however, it cannot be ruled out that as a result of the political, economic and military actions, Russia could be planning to force Lukashenko to host large and significant Russian military units, permanently. These units, considering the Russian defence policy and propaganda, could become a tangible response to the NATO forces and the US mechanized brigade, which is to be stationed in Poland. Certainly, presence of the Russian troops, or such possibility, would be seen as additional reinforcement of the alliance between the Kremlin and Minsk. Throughout the recent years, the Belarusian authorities took steps, the aim of which was to gain some distance from the Ukrainian crisis and the conflict between Kiev in Moscow, however it seems that options of establishing a stance which would be more independent are becoming more and more limited. It has also been shown by the latest declarations made by President Lukashenko, who stressed, within his statement, that “Terrorism and armed conflict are the things that are shocking to the world”. The President of Belarus then stated that he was discussing these issues with Putin, and that a common ground exists within that scope, between him and the Russian leader. The President of Belarus added that no discrepancies, when it comes to the international policy, exist between the two states.
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Remplacement de Mi-24
Déclaration du ministre de la defense:
“La procédure d'achat de hélicoptères d'attaque est en phase finale. Il y a actuellement deux propositions qui répondent à nos exigences opérationnelles. Pour assurer la compétitivité nous voulons à ces entités a été plus.”
“Nous parlons aussi avec les Italiens au niveau gouvernemental. Leonardo propose l'achat et le développement conjoint d'hélicoptères d'attaque.”
“Il est prévu que 16 hélicoptères soient acquis avant 2022, et 16 autres seront achetés plus tard.”
CitationPolish Ministry of Defence: 16 Kruk Attack Helicopters and 200 UAV Systems - To Be Acquired before 2022
Polish Ministry of Defence announced that until the year 2022 it is planned that 16 Kruk attack helicopters are going to be acquired, with subsequent 16 examples to be procured following that period.
According to the statement issued by the Polish Ministry of Defence, within the framework of the Kruk programme, it is planned that 16 helicopters are acquired before 2022, and another 16 examples would be procured later. The Ministry stresses the fact that acquisition of the attack helicopters shall be synchronized with introduction of the new air defence system. Polish MoD pointed to options of international cooperation within that scope too.
"Simultaneously, in order to implement the said programme, considering the joint EU security policy, talks began at the governmental level, also involving the Italians. It is also important that the potential common helicopter platform may constitute an example of good industrial cooperation, based on mutual trust. The aforesaid direction and initiative will form an occasion to efficiently and effectively construct and shape the security space within the EU and NATO." Polish Ministry of Defence
Kruk programme is to make it possible to find and select a successor for the obsolete Soviet-made Mi-24 attack helicopters, and to introduce the said modern design into the inventory of the Polish Army. Col. Stanisław Curyło of the Armament Inspectorate recently announced that relevant contract concerning the gunships is going to be signed in 2017, and the deliveries would be scheduled two years after that.
The Ministry also announced that before 2022, it is willing to acquire about 200 reconnaissance and intelligence-gathering UAV systems of a variety of classes.
"Meanwhile R&D works, the goal of which is to create tactical warhead-fitted drones, are also being gradually completed. The implementation of the aforesaid goal is going to take place on the basis of the potential that remains at disposal of the PGZ company. Potential low cost of acquisition (PLN 30 thousand per single unit) will make it possible to procure, within the budgetary framework, more than 1000 drones, as it had been declared before." Polish Ministry of Defence
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L'Armée de l'Air polonaise ajourne l'acquisition de chasseurs de 5e génération.
CitationPolish Air Force Further Postpones Procurement of 5th Generation Fighters to replace MiG-29 and Su-22 jets
Polish Air Force Modernization Initiatives do not foresee 5th Generation Fighters until at least 2022.
The plan to acquire the 5th-generation jets that would prospectively replace the Su-22 Fitter and MiG-29 Fulcrumairframes, currently operated by the Polish Air Force alongside the F-16s, has been postponed by the leadership of the Polish Ministry of Defense.
Lacking the net-centric capabilities, data-links and modern precision guided weaponry Fulcrums and Fitters are becoming more and more unsuited to the conditions of the contemporary battlefield environment.
As Tomasz Dmitruk of the Dziennik Zbrojny outlet speculates, the program in question could become a part of the subsequent planning period, between the years 2017-2026. The said modernization plan is expected to be developed next year.
In one of his interviews given to Dziennik Zbrojny, General Adam Duda, head of the Armament Inspectorate of the Polish MoD, claimed that “Harpia” program, which is to cover the acquisition of new fighters, would be scheduled to begin from 2023.
According to the statement issued by the Polish MoD, responding to a parliamentary question issued by MP Paweł Olszewski, the operational requirements review carried out by the Polish Armed Forces resulted in an assumption that the Su-22’s operations are expected to be maintained, thus, acquisition of the new jets is going to probably begin next year – here we mean the sole initiation of the procurement program as the acquisition itself would be far down the road.
The adopted modernization assumptions, when it comes to the military aircraft, are focused on several priorities, including combat and support helicopters. We do know though, that this tender faces a significant delay, for the reasons related to offset agreement negotiations and, reportedly, difficulties occurring within that process, as the current government reports.
The tender has been canceled and restarted. Polish MoD is also willing to acquire 32 attack helicopters, with logistics and training package.
Second of the priority tasks that is to be implemented by the Ministry is focused on UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles) and reconnaissance.
Operational MALE UAV systems, mini- and micro-class systems and satellite platforms are going to be acquired.
The Ministry is to procure four operational-level ZEFIR systems, 12 tactical medium range GRYF UAVs (in this case, the systems are to be manufactured by the domestic entities), 12 tactical short range Orlik systems, and 15 mini-class WIZJER aircraft.
However, all of the programs listed above were canceled on Jul. 15, 2016 and they are expected to be restarted with the new government urging the UAV systems in question to be manufactured solely by the companies controlled by the treasury and based domestically.
UAVs are also a subject to financial limitations and Polish Deputy Minister of Defence, Bartosz Kownacki, noted that extra funds would be required to finalize the procurement process.
Same conditions apply to the micro UAVs. One of the significant developments, when it comes to the UAV systems and considering the “treasury” condition mentioned above, may be seen in the fact that one of the major Polish manufacturers of such aircraft, the WB Group, has been excluded from the tendering procedures listed here, due to the fact that it remains a private entity, even though the said company offers systems that have a track-proven record and are highly advanced.
Thirdly, the Air Force is in the process of acquiring a new training platform for the pilots, in order to replace the aging TS-11 Iskra trainers. This is being done through acquisition of an integrated training package founded around the M-346 Master AJT aircraft.
The Ministry of Defense acquired 8 such airframes already, with optional procurement of another 4 examples possible, within the framework of the very same contract. Two jets have been received this year, with the remaining ones expected to be delivered in 2017.
Furthermore, the Ministry also took a course to acquire VIP aircraft for the government officials, with two types of platforms to be procured. Small VIP jets will be delivered next year, while medium aircraft are expected to be supplied throughout the years 2017, 2020 and 2021, one jet each year.
Exact deadlines will be known after the negotiation is finalized with the potential contractors.
Moreover, the MoD is also focused on securing the Armed Forces transport capabilities, especially within the tactical dimension, as well as within the scope of the NATO, EU and UN commitments (humanitarian aid operations, evacuations and deployment of special forces).
However, this has been done already, as 5 CASA C-295M airlifters have been acquired throughout the years 2010-2015, with 16 being operated by the air force, with 8 M-28 [Polish An-28 derivative] Bryza aircraft complementing the fleet.
The new aircraft to be procured will probably be imported, since no relevant potential is available and offered by the Polish industry. However, the Ministry claims that any new acquisition would have to entail a relevant offset agreement.
Considering the official information mentioned above we may assume that no plans exist, among the objectives defined by the Polish MoD, to procure any new fighter aircraft, at least at the moment. With the relevant program to be started next year, we need to wait for further developments. Back in 2014 rumors suggested that the Air Force would receive new fighter aircraft by 2020, hence the current situation shows that long-term forecast, when it comes to armament procurement, may often not turn out to be realistic.
The assets which could be allocated to procure the new fighters are going to be used, instead, in order to acquire relevant systems within the Wisła and Narew air defense programs, which are both expected to be costly, considering their complexity, and urgent, in the light of the current status of the Polish IADS (Integrated Air Defense System).
Among the analysts in Poland, two views of potential Air Force expansion exist.
The first one assumes that a MLU (mid-life upgrade) program will be launched to upgrade the F-16 jets (with AESA radars and integration of new armament including JASSM-ER missiles and possibly new Air-to-Air weaponry) along with the potential procurement of the F-16V to replace the aging Fulcrums and Fitters. Furthermore, Poland is also looking forward to expand its SEAD capabilities and the information available within the defense media-sphere suggests that procurement of the AARGM missiles for the F-16 could also be expected in the near future.
The second hypothesis assumes that new airframes, possibly Gripen-NG or the F-35, would be bought to replace the Polish Post-Soviet fighter force.
Whichever takes place, we need to patiently wait for relevant decisions to be taken.
The “procurement landscape” is quite varied, as back in 2015, when the Eurofighter Typhoon was also being promoted during the Radom Air Show, as a fighter for the Polish Air Force. What is clear though, the priorities assumed by the new right-wing government have been redefined, hence it is very unlikely that we would see any new combat aircraft in the Polish Air Force, within the upcoming decade.
This, on the other hand, would mean that whoever is elected next, would have a perfect pretext not to procure new fighters, for financial reasons.
Poland is going to be left with an air force counting of 48 F-16 jets, at least for now, as the combat usability of the Post-Soviet equipment, on the net-centric and dynamic battlefield, is highly dubious.
https://theaviationist.com/?p=40551
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Gripen tchèque sera modernisé.
CitationCzech Republic has decided to modernize the Gripen multi-role fighters, utilized by the Czech Air Force. The FMV agency is responsible for implementation of the relevant work.
According to the version 20 project – which is the scope of modernization selected by Prague – the whole procedure is expected to be carried out before 2018. The Swedes have informed that the mutual relationship with the user made it possible to select modernization package which, even though it is not fully compatible with the variants selected by the Swedish Forces, it still is completely compliant with the requirements and expectations of the Czech Air Force. We know that the Czech Gripens are to be capable of acting against ground targets, with the use of the AGM-65 Maverick missiles, Paveway bombs and GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs.
The scope of and the character of the relationship between the manufacturer of the jets and the user, is placed at the hands of FMV which has been tasked with the modernization process. The agency is also expected to solve the problems that could potentially emerge along the way. Finally, the said entity is going to plan the prospective scope of operational support, required by the Gripen jets.
Taking over the Swedish responsibility and technical supervision, maintenance and modernization schemes pertaining to the Gripen jet is related, above all, to the certainty of high quality and good management of this programme. Moreover, the Czech Air Force also operates the Gripen in line with the requirements developed and followed by the Swedes. This facilitates the process, and enables the Parties to easily solve any problems that may emerge along the way.
SAAB MS20 project makes it possible to enhance the combat capabilities of the C/D airframes, in case of the users who, for a variety of reasons, are forced to resign from acquiring the E/F jets, or, as it happened in Sweden, need a transitional solution, before the E variant is received. The package includes:
- Integration of the MBDA Meteor missiles and Boeing GBU-39 SDB bomb units;
- Provision of Link 16 communications capability;
- Modernization of the electronic countermeasures;
- Installation of a new RWR and countermeasure system (flares dispenser);
- Making the scope of human-machine integration deeper.
Moreover, optionally the aircraft may be tailored to carry the AIM-9X and AIM-120C7 AMRAAM missiles, the radar range and capabilities may be enhanced (PS-05/A Mk 4 radar may be applied). Further options include expanded capacity remaining at hand of the pilot, when it comes to the target detection and indication systems.
http://www.defence24.com/501688,czech-republic-modernizes-its-gripen-fighters
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US Department a approuvé les 70 JASSM-ER Missiles pour les F-16 polonais.
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/poland-jassm-er-support
Citation70 JASSM-ER Missiles for the Polish F-16 Fighters. US State Department Issues A Consent
US Department of State approved the transaction, the goal ofwhich is to make it possible for Poland to acquire the JASSM-ER cruise missiles. The ER version has a range which exceeds 900kilometres. USD 200 million has been defined as the maximum amount of the contract.
According to the information released by the DCSA agency, the potential agreement would cover acquisition of 70 AGM-158B JASSM-ER missiles, along with systems that would make it possible to conduct a relevant test-flight programme, including launches and carrying of such ordnance by the Polish F-16 fighter aircraft. Poland would also be bound to receive simulators of the AGM-158B weapon. The potential contract is also expected to cover the integration procedure, including the process of integrating the new weapon with the Polish F-16 jets, provision of technical support, support within the scope of logistics and testing equipment.
The maximum estimated value of the deal has been defined as USD 200 million, whereas earlier claims suggested that Poland has been interested in procuring 40 JASSM missiles in the extended range variant. One should remember that the FMS document indicates the maximum amounts and quantity of armament approved.
The US authorities stress the fact that selling the missiles could be interpreted as a contribution to the implementation of the foreign policy goals, and would be an element which bolsters the US security, through provision of support for the NATO ally. The release suggests that Poland is still seen an important player, when it comes to the political stability and economic development in the central part of Europe.
The information published also indicates that JASSM-ER missiles will enhance the Poland’s ability to act against potential threats posed by present and future ground based and airborne weaponry. Here, the US officials are probably referring to the long range missiles, which are being gradually deployed within the Kaliningrad Oblast area.
DSCA also notes that modernization will also expand the Polish air-to-ground strike capabilities, enabling the Air Force to be an effective deterrent against the “regional threats”, which, as a consequence, would also lead to expansion of the Polish defensive capabilities.
Lockheed Martin company is to be the main contractor, within the JASSM-ER procurement procedure. Formal notification issued by DSCA is not tantamount to conclusion of the contract, as the transaction still needs to be approved by the Congress, nonetheless, considering the current circumstances, this seems to be very likely to happen.
Back in 2014, Poland ordered 40 AGM-158A missiles, along with a modernization package for the F-16C/D aircraft. The above-described step is a natural follow-up process, since the AGM-158B JASSM-ER missiles have a range of more than 900 kilometres, as compared to the 370 kilometres for the AGM-158A variant. Tomasz Siemoniak, former Minister of Defence, was the first person to express the Warsaw’s interest in acquiring the Extended Range variant of the weapon.
JASSM missile is being guided with a combined INS/GPS guidance system coupled with a FLIR guidance solution which takes over the task of the INS/GPS suite during the terminal phase of flight. The purpose of the said missiles is to precisely strike critical targets, including fortified objects or elements of the air defence system used by the potential enemy.
At the moment, JASSM-ER missiles have only been integrated with the USAF B-1B bombers, however, in the US Air Force, the weapon is to be carried by B-52H bombers, F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16 Fighting Falcons too. Considering the fact that integration of the missile with the latter platforms is not a priority in the US, Poland may become the first user of the JASSM-ER missile launched from the F-16, and almost certainly, Warsaw is going to be the first foreign buyer to acquire the AGM-158B JASSM-ER weapon. AGM-158A missiles have so far been sold also for Finland and Australia, utilizing F/A-18A/B and F/A-18C/D Hornet jets.
Approved JASSM-ER procurement may be interpreted as a proof of the fact that the US authorities trust the Warsaw government. Acquisition of 70 missiles would increase the Polish Air Force’s deterrence capabilities, and Poland’s NATO credibility. More armament procurement for the F-16 jets is expected too, including the anti-radiation missiles.
On the other hand one should remember that deterrence capabilities should be created in a manner which is comprehensive, in connection with a proper C4IS, reconnaissance and ground-launched and surface to air missiles, including a relevant missile defence system.
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Le 17.11.2016 à 18:53, Teenytoon a dit :
Est il envisageable que le PiS est cassé les 60 caracals avec pertes et fracas pour "faire le beau" auprès de son électorat et qu'il repasse commande ultérieurement en plusieurs tranches chez Airbus ?
Ce sont des politiciens qui priaient pour la pluie au parlement. Je ne m'attends pas à la rationalité.
Maintenant, il faut 8 hélicoptères pour FS et 6 SAR. Livraison en 2017. Caracal est un candidat solide pour la Marine.
BH indiqué par le MoD est pas sûr. Forces Spéciales veulent un hélicoptère avec la possibilité d’embarqué à bord au moins 16 soldats.
http://biznes.gazetaprawna.pl/artykuly/995327,caracale-francja-wojsko-baltyk.html
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Marine Polonaise
dans Europe
Il y a 17 heures, Fenrir a dit :Question @LunchTime: quelle est la doctrine de la marine Polonaise actuelle?
Faire face à la Pologne et/ou rendre dans un cadre plus large NATO: envoyer des frégates en Méditerranée voir Golfe Persique?
La Marine n'a jamais été une priorité dans notre système de défense. Elle est prévu pour la mer Baltique.
En fait, nous ne disposons que de trois navires convenant aux opérations extérieures.
-Deux ex américaines frégates type Oliver Hazard Perry. ORP „Gen.K.Pułaski” et ORP „Gen.T.Kościuszko”.
- navire d'appui logistique ORP „X.Czernicki” qui est idéal pour les forces spéciales ou navire de commandement.
En septembre, après deux mois passés sur la Méditerranée et les Mers Noires et surtout la mer Egée, le frégate ORP „Gen. T. Kościuszko” est retourné au port de Gdynia. Le navire a participé à la mission dans le cadre du groupe navale permanente de l'OTAN (SNMG 2- Standing NATO Maritime Group 2).
Frigate ORP„Gen.T.Kościuszko” a participé aux activités d'un groupe navale SNMG trois fois et ORP„Gen.K.Pułaski” deux fois.
ORP„X.Czernicki” sera envoyé au début de l'année prochaine à la mer Méditerranée. En janvier, il dirigera la SNMCMG2 (Standing NATO Mine Countermeasures Group 2).
Dans le groupe des destructeurs de mines, les navires polonais ont participé 12 fois, mais principalement dans le nord.
La présence de la marine polonaise en Méditerranée n'est pas rare, mais peu significative en raison des petites moyens.
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Il y a 7 heures, Bechar06 a dit :Aurait on une idée du différentiel de prix: vis à vis de l' Apache et surtout du Tigre ? qui permette de proposer ce Viper à des pays moins riches ?
L'achat de la nouvel hélicoptère d'attaque sera réaliser après 2019, donc il n'y a pas encore une proposition officielle de producteurs. Mais Inspectorat d'armement est apres le “dialogue technique” et il peut comparer les prix.
Mais c’est pas seulement le prix unitaire de hélicoptère. Il y a aussi: le coût et l'autonomie de maintenir, production et l'intégration d'armements en Pologne, le transfert de technologie nécessaires dans d'autres programmes.
Prix d’un Caracal pour Pologne était plus grande que pour Koweït. Mais l'un des négociateurs (de l'armée) était prêt à ajouter 0,7-1 mld zloty additionnel pour le transfert de technologie propose.
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Il y a 5 heures, Ciders a dit :
Non. Curieusement, ça paraît presque logique : S-70i et UH-1Y pour le transport, AH-1Z pour les missions d'attaque, PZL pour les missions de liaison et la recherche et sauvetage. On peut aussi envisager une offre de Boeing pour des AH-64.
Mais, nous ne recherchons pas des hélicoptères de transport. L'armée veut obtenir quelque chose pour la Marine et FS, donc SeaHawki et PaveHawk. Il faut demander au Congrès et attendre longtemps pour la livraison. Parce que en Pologne pour BlackHowk on n’est fait que ca ...
PZL W-3 Sokół avec sa faible motorization n'etai jamais un bon hélicoptère militaire. Particulièrement version marin. L'armée ne veut plus de Sokół modernisée au standard Głuszec (CSAR économique). PZL Świdnik/ Leonardo propose AW149 i AW101 comme hélicoptères marines.
AH-64 est trop cher. Il n'y a aucune chance pour les 32 hélicoptères d'attaque, et avec Viper c’est possible. Surtout que Bell propose aussi AH-1Z en République Tchèque, Roumanie et Hongrie.
UH-1Y peut remplacer la Mi-2 ou W-3 Sokół (apres 2026), main no Mi-8/17.
Avec hélicoptère plus petite que Mi-8 L'armée devrait changer la structure des troupes aéromobiles.
Air Cavalry en Irak (2005/6):
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C'est une blague?
CitationPolish MoD: Bell Participates in the Helicopter Tender
Antoni Macierewicz, Polish Minister of Defence, announced that the Polish MoD is willing to sign a relevant contract related to procurement of the Wisła air/missile defence systems by the end of this year. The official assured that the Army’s budget is going to be used in full, during the current fiscal year. As it was disclosed by Macierewicz, when it comes to the restartedhelicopter procurement procedure, the companies which submitted their proposals include PZL Świdnik, PZL Mielec, Airbus Helicopters and Bell Helicopter company as well.
Antoni Macierewicz, Polish Minister of Defence, announced, during a conference summarizing one year of his work at the post of the Head of the MoD, that the Ministry is willing to sign the contract related to procurement of the Wisła air/missile defence systems by the end of this year. Back in September, the Americans have received the Letter of Request pertaining to acquisition of eight Patriot batteries, along with the IBCS air defence management module, within the framework of the Wisła programme. Within the tender, an offer submitted by MEADS is also taken into consideration, a relevant request to obtain more details within that scope has also been sent to the said manufacturer.
According to the head of the Ministry of Defence, the most important orders have also been placed with the Polish facilities. The new helicopter procurement procedure involves, besides PZL Świdnik and PZL Mielec, also the Airbus Helicopters and Bell companies. Following the offset negotiation regarding the acquisition of 50 Caracal helicopters selected by the former leadership of the Polish Ministry of Defence ending up in a fiasco, the current MoD leadership is willing to acquire a certain number of helicopters within the framework of so called urgent operational requirement, for the special forces first, with the Navy to follow.
As Macierewicz stated, the aforesaid tender is primarily addressed to the Polish facilities from Mielec and Świdnik, however, the remaining two potential contractors, namely Airbus Helicopters and Bell companies, are said to have a chance to take part in the procedure on equal terms. Nonetheless, the Polish official expressed his hope to acquire the rotorcraft from the facilities based within the territory of Poland.
Bell Helicopters offers the UH-1Y Venom helicopter, as an initial proposal, in case of which 85% of the components are shared with the AH-1Z Viper gunship, which is to be proposed by the US-based manufacturer within the Kruk attack helicopter programme.
http://www.defence24.com/491090,polish-mod-bell-participates-in-the-helicopter-tender
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Le 29.10.2016 à 13:01, Boule75 a dit :
Tout mignon cet avion !
Aujourd'hui, deux avions Master sont arrivés en Pologne.
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MSPO 2016
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Il y a 4 heures, Kiriyama a dit :Concernant les avions, on sait ce qui va remplacer les MiG-29 et Su-22 ?
Avant la crise ukrainien Armée de l'Air voulait acquérir 64 nouveaux avions apres 2022, comme remplacement de tous les avions russes.
CitationPolish Ministry of Defence plans to initiate the selection process pertaining the multi-role jets that could become the successors of the Soviet-made Su-22 and MiG-29 aircraft. Operational requirements pertaining the new airframes have already been defined. Not only will the potential acquisition be connected to the planned decommissioning of the former jets, in the light of the fact that they are coming to an end of their operational lifetimes, but they are also dependent, within a significant scope, on the economic conditions.
C’est possible que revient à l'idée un ou deux escadrons supplémentaires de F-16 a la place de Su-22. Surtout que on achète maintenant beaucoup d' armements pour eux: JASSM\ JASSM-ER, missile anti-radar, missile anti-char et bombe anti-abris souterrains. Armée de l'Air autrefois cherché F-16 d'occasion. Mais les versions étaient trop différente de la nôtre.
Capacités de MiG-29 peuvent être améliorées avec le système IDAS proposé par SAAB. Le nouveau IFF et les missiles à moyenne portée R-27R1 ont été récemment achetés.
Su-22 est complètement inutile sur le champ de bataille moderne. Il faut les remplacer par F-16, au moins M-346 Master armé.
Armée de l'Air avec des avions M-346 Master acheté le système de formation complet. Pour le moment il n'y a pas assez de pilotes pour des F-16 supplémentaires.
CitationLeonardo company has presented in Poland the M-346 aircraft both in a pure trainer (AJT), as well as in the jet trainer/light combat aircraft (FT) versions. The latter variant is promoted as a prospective replacement of the Polish Su-22 fighter-bombers.Giacomo Iannelli, test pilot working at Leonardo-Finmeccanica, discussed the properties and performance of both types of the aircraft. He also mentioned the progress, in the process of preparing the jets destined to be delivered to Poland.
http://www.defence24.com/483204,master-as-a-combat-aircraft-leonardo-designed-as-a-fighter
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Marine Polonaise
dans Europe
Mais en Pologne, il sont seulement des missiles anti-navires.
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Marine Polonaise
dans Europe
Il y a 2 heures, DZIRI a dit :j'ai cru comprendre que le RBS 15MK 3 à quelques soucies pour accrocher des cibles terrestres selon la marine allemande donc est ce que la marine polonaise a fait face au même problème ?
RBS 15 MK III sont pas destinés à attaquer sur des cibles terrestres. Seulement les missiles de croisière futurs sous-marins sont prévus pour ces tâches.
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Marine Polonaise
dans Europe
Vidéo avec Automatic AM-35 Naval Cannon System a disparu. Donc encore une fois.
Et la description:
http://www.defence24.com/437863,automatic-am-35-naval-cannon-system-navy-and-beyond
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Il y a 2 heures, DZIRI a dit :pourquoi la marine polonaise a acquis deux types de missile anti navire différents ( RBS 15 MK III et NSM ) ? est ce que le RBS 15 commandé en premier a posé problème pour justifier l'achat du NSM ?
La seule raison c’est deux acquisitions différentes.
RBS 15 MK III ont été choisis en 2006 comme l’armement de 3 navires d’attaque rapide type Orkan. Le premier lot de missiles RBS-15 MK II de formation livres en 2007. Au début de 2015, le premier navire ORP „Orkan” armé avec des missiles RBS 15 MK III. Reste sera réarmé progressivement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkan-class_fast_attack_craft
Tandis que le missile NSM a été choisi en 2008 pour la division missile côtière (NDR-Nadbrzeżny Dywizjon Rakietowy). Saab également a participé à la competition, mais le prix de Kongsberg était plus attractive. En 2015 un autre contrat pour la livraison de la deuxième division. Il y a quelques jours, le MoD a dit qu'il pourrait être troisième.
Exercices de notre NDR en Norvège.
Promo de Ministère de la Défense.
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http://www.defence24.com/508903,pirat-atgm-a-nexus-between-spike-and-anti-tank-grenade-launchers