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  1. Bof, il est presque en état de mort cérébrale, alors autant le débrancher tout de suite :happy:p

    Plus sérieusement, ça ne m'étonnerait presque pas car les Saoudiens voudront faire comme les EAU et les Egyptiens si ceux-ci se décident un jour à commander le Rafale.

    Il ne faut pas attendre des saoudiens qu'ils commandent un jour le Rafale. Leur objectif est de developper avant tout progressivement un embryon industriel aeronautique militaire a travers le contrat de l'Eurofighter.

    Il y a depuis un plus de dix ans une volonté du GCC de coordonner leurs achats militaire pour atteindre une interoperalité de leurs équipements. Il y a de très forts indices que les UAE s'équipent de leur coté aussi du Rafale (pour remplacer leurs Mirages) - peut être le Koweït également - et qui viendront s'accumuler à ceux du Qatar - Égypte -.

  2. Encore une bonne nouvelle pour Dassault, il faut un nouveau thread "Quel sera le 4ème clientnt du Rafale" ;)

    Moi je parie pour les UAE. Cela s'intègrera à leur équipement auparavant acquis (storm shadow, satellite pleaides) - ceci forcément était prévu ainsi ce n'était qu'une question de patience -. ^^
  3. Ne pas oublier que c'est la Joint force Arabe qui est en ligne de mire et qui a été mise en avant dès le début des OP.

     

     

     

    Source:

    Associated Press

     

     

    Enfin la Joint Force Arabe n’y est pas pour très grand-chose. C’est surtout le GCC (Initiateur) qui est à la manœuvre et dans l’action.

     

    Il y a plus de 2500 sorties aériennes avec frappes effectuées tout le long de ‘l’Opération Decisive Storm’ (3 semaines et 6 jours) dont plus de 70 % sont à attribuer à KSA et quasiment l’ensemble du reste aux UAE avec des miettes pour le Koweït, le Qatar et Bahreïn.

     

     

     

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  4. A tout les arabophones de Air-defense. Est ce que vous avez eu des infos sur les médias arabes pour savoir quels sont les types d'avions que les saoudiens ont utilisés pour cette guerre au Yemen ?

    L'Arabie, étant une dictature, je ne pense pas qu'ils soient très loquace sur ce type d'opération.

    Mais peut-etre que les journaux du régime ont donné des infos intéressantes.

    En effet, on dispose très peu d'info sur cette guerre.

     

     

    Non, c’est étonnement tout le contraire et cela est ainsi jusqu’à présent. Un petit aperçu.

     

    Brig. Gen. Ahmed bin Hasan Asiri, advisor in the Office of the Saudi Minister of Defense, conducts daily press briefing in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, on the developments of Operation Decisive Storm.

    Daily Briefing: Operation Decisive Storm, April 16, 2015

     

    https://youtu.be/VTs6n_dfufA

     

     

    Saudi Ambassador Holds Press Conference on Operation Renewal of Hope

    April 22, 2015

     

    https://youtu.be/ZCOqTyRzvtA

     

     

    https://youtu.be/LkLeCT6WsLs

     

    https://youtu.be/0MshS-QV4fI

     

    https://youtu.be/wMyLL7lmHHM

     

    https://youtu.be/6o2YCURRxq8

     

     

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  5. Saudis Show Their Military Might in Yemen Conflict

     

    By sustaining nearly a month of intensive airstrikes in Yemen, Saudi Arabia shows it can lead a complicated military campaign

     

    By YAROSLAV TROFIMOV

    Updated April 23, 2015 8:02 a.m. ET

     

    RIYADH — Watching Saudi Arabia spend hundreds of billions of dollars on sophisticated weapons in the past decade, many friends and foes of the oil-rich kingdom often wondered to what extent it would be capable of using them.

     

    Now, there is an answer. By sustaining nearly a month of intensive airstrikes in Yemen, Saudi Arabia has shown that—from a purely military standpoint—it can lead a lengthy and complicated campaign.

     

    It’s still far from clear that Riyadh will achieve its ultimate goal of rolling back the pro-Iranian Houthi forces that have taken over much of Yemen. The military campaign, the first that Saudi Arabia has led since 1934, has suffered setbacks—most notably an unexpected refusal by traditional ally Pakistan to join the coalition.

     

    But these challenges notwithstanding, Saudi Arabia has proved—at least in the air—its credentials as a regional military power that could push back against Iran’s growing influence.

     

    “The air force can say it acquitted itself quite well,” said Reed Foster, head of the military capabilities team at the IHS Aerospace, Defense and Security consultancy. “The more you do, the better you get. And they’re gaining very valuable experience.…If I were an Iranian observer, it would have confirmed my fears about Saudi capabilities.”

     

    This display of military might has already unleashed a patriotic fervor in Riyadh. It has spurred talk that, once the Houthis are dealt with, Saudi Arabia’s new Sunni coalition should move against a more formidable Iranian ally, the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad, and destroy the Syrian air force.

     

    “The massacres in Syria should stop and its regime there should go,” said Khalid al-Dakhil, a Saudi sociologist and prominent commentator. “The right thing to do after Yemen would be for the Gulf countries, together with Egypt, Jordan and Turkey, to go into Syria to dislodge that regime.”

     

    Before that, of course, the Saudis must complete what they have started in Yemen.

     

    On Tuesday, the kingdom said it had ended the first phase of its military campaign, after nearly 2,500 air sorties that blew up the planes, long-range missiles and weapons depots of the Houthis and of their allies, Yemeni military units loyal to former President Ali Abdullah Saleh.

     

    The Saudi bombing runs—which also resulted in some 1,000 casualties—have blunted the Houthi offensive and prevented, for now, the fall of the southern port city of Aden.

     

    However the coalition’s stated end-goal of restoring President Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi—who was ousted by the Houthis—to power has yet to be achieved.

     

    Still, that deadly air power has persuaded several Yemeni army brigade commanders across the country to declare that they had switched sides from Mr. Saleh to Mr. Hadi, who is backed by Riyadh and the West.

     

    All that opened the prospects of a political settlement more favorable to Saudi demands. A United Nations Security Council resolution urged such a deal and Oman, which has remained neutral in the conflict, is trying to mediate.

     

    “Saudi Arabia has achieved its military goals” by whittling down the Houthis’ arsenal, argued retired Saudi Col. Ibrahim al-Marie, a security analyst in Riyadh. “Now, once you have peace negotiations, there won’t be one party—the Houthis—sitting at the negotiating table with a Kalashnikov.”

     

    While the Saudis bombed heavy weapons and ammunition depots across Yemen, the Houthis remained a potent force. On Wednesday, they mounted an attack on an army base in the southern city of Taiz, prompting fresh Saudi airstrikes.

     

    Some two-thirds of these sorties were flown by Saudi jets, with the United Arab Emirates fielding the second-largest contingent. The U.S. provided targeting and intelligence assistance, but did not carry out any strikes in Yemen.

     

    “We have spent the money to modernize our forces because we know that deterrence is the pillar of stability in the region,” said Brig. Gen. Ahmed H. al-Aseeri, the Saudi-led coalition’s military spokesman. “We could not accept anyone creating a militia with Scud missiles, with planes, with combat forces and without a clear political status—which is what the Iranians have tried to do with the Houthis right on our borders.”

     

    Iran, which condemned the Saudi intervention, denies it provided military aid to the Houthis, who follow a strain of Shiite Islam.

     

    The announcement about the end of the first phase of the Saudi involvement doesn’t mean that military operations in Yemen have ended, Gen. Aseeri said. The coalition, he added, will continue targeting Houthi movements and enforcing a naval blockade of Yemen.

     

    For Riyadh, the rise of the Houthis in neighboring Yemen represented a clear and immediate danger to the kingdom’s national security—something that Saudi officials said wasn't properly appreciated in the West.

     

    Back in 2009, Saudi troops suffered heavy casualties in clashes with the Houthis along the border—clashes that forced Saudi Arabia to permanently evacuate entire towns. The bombed-out remains of these homes still stand, overgrown with weeds, in the border zone stretching for miles into the kingdom’s southern Jizan province. The Houthis, like many Yemenis, don't recognize Saudi sovereignty over the kingdom’s southern areas that belonged to Yemen before 1934.

     

    With its limited Saudi casualties, the current campaign against the Houthis has proved remarkably popular inside the kingdom, shoring up support for King Salman, who assumed power in January. Even traditional critics of the Saudi regime now are singing his praises.

     

    “Now we finally have an independent foreign policy, and a decision was taken to deter Iranian initiatives to penetrate the area and interfere in all Arab affairs,” said Mohsen al-Awaji, an Islamist lawyer and political activist who was jailed by Saudi authorities six times, most recently in 2013. “The vast majority of Saudis—I’d say everyone except some Shiites—support King Salman in this war because of the behavior of Iran.”

     

    How far will Saudi Arabia take its pushback against Iranian sway is anyone’s guess—and largely depends on how the Yemeni campaign will conclude.

     

    Asaad al-Shamlan, a professor at the Institute of Diplomatic Studies in Riyadh, said Yemen was a unique case in which Saudi Arabia felt it had no choice but to act because it could not afford a hostile pro-Iranian regime literally on its doorstep.

     

    “I would not say this is a radical departure,” Mr. Shamlan said. “The military instrument has been used by necessity. It has been the result of circumstances rather than just a whimsical desire to play a role.”

     

    The mood on Saudi talk shows, however, is far more gung-ho. Mr. Marie, the retired colonel and a frequent guest, said in his view, Yemen was just the beginning.

     

    “After this operation, we will not stop,” Mr. Marie said, “because the kingdom is strong and the Arab world is strong, and they will want to protect themselves.”

     

     

    The Wall Street Journal

  6. Saudi king orders National Guard to take part in Yemen campaign

     

    By Reuters

     

    PUBLISHED: 13:23 GMT, 21 April 2015 | UPDATED: 13:23 GMT, 21 April 2015

     

    RIYADH, April 21 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's King Salman on Tuesday ordered the Saudi Arabian National Guard, widely regarded as the kingdom's best equipped military ground force, to take part in Riyadh's campaign against Iran-allied Houthi rebels in Yemen.

     

    Military operations in the campaign have so far been carried out by the Royal Saudi Air Force and the Royal Saudi Land Forces, which answer to the Defence Ministry. The national guard is a separate military structure run by its own ministry. (Reporting by Angus McDowall; Editing by Robin Pomeroy)

     

  7. C'est ça la modernité !

     

    Leur bouffe est à base de céréales raffinés (de l'amidon, sans les fibres) et de boissons sucrés dont l’emblématique  "Bebsi "Cola. Du sucre, du gras, peu de fibres, peu d'exercice avec la bagnole à la fois comme facilité et nécessité (ce pays est torrides) ; et tu as une épidémie de diabètes.

     

     

    Honnêtement ce n’est pas du tout sérieux de tous les cataloguer ainsi.  <_<

     

     

    Soldats à la bordure de la frontière saoudo-yéménite (Operation : Decisive Storm).

     

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    Forces spéciales de la Combat search and rescue (CSAR)

     

     

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  8. The company expects that these upgrades could be operational within four to five years of MoD approval, with both the low collateral warhead and the digital seeker upgrades expected to be cost neutral.

    25 March 2014 + 4 ou 5 ans= 2018 ou 2019 d'où ma question sur les capacités des Typhoon Saoudiens

     

     

    Saudi Typhoons Use Paveway IV Bombs on ISIS

     

    By Andrew Chuter

    3:16 a.m. EST February 25, 2015

     

    ABU DHABI — Typhoon combat jets flown by the Royal Saudi Air Force have used Paveway IV precision-guided bombs to strike Islamic State terrorists, marking the first time the weapon has been launched in anger from the Eurofighter-built aircraft, according to gulf region sources.

     

    The Raytheon-developed weapon was only recently cleared for service on Typhoon. The missile is fitted to Royal Air Force and Royal Saudi Air Force Typhoons, but only the gulf nation has deployed the jet against ISIS targets.

     

    The strikes by the Saudis come little more than a year after the US State Department lifted a long-time block on the gulf state purchasing the weapon. No reason was ever given publicly on why export approval was denied.

     

    Paveway IV was co-developed by the British and US arms of Raytheon.

     

    Raytheon declined to comment.

     

    So far, Saudi Arabia is the only known export customer for Paveway IV, although Oman may follow suit as it has also ordered the Eurofighter jet.

     

    Saudi Arabia ordered 72 Typhoons in a deal with BAE Systems in 2007 and over half the aircraft have been delivered.

     

    BAE is part of the Eurofighter consortium, which manages the industry effort to build the Typhoon. Airbus Defence & Space and Finmeccanica are the other partners.

     

    The British operate Tornado jets over Iraq fitted with the advanced 500-pound Paveway IV and other precision weapons.

     

    British Typhoons have not been deployed to the region as part of the coalition effort to degrade ISIS forces, predominantly because the aircraft is unable to use the MBDA Brimstone missile, which has become a key asset to attack fast moving targets with reduced risk of collateral damage due to the combination of high accuracy and a small warhead compared with precision-guided bombs.

     

    The British government and its Typhoon partners Germany, Italy and Spain moved to resolve that problem this week, announcing at the IDEX show in Abu Dhabi a £72 million deal to integrate Brimstone on Typhoon by 2017.

     

    British Typhoon pilots have been practicing using the Paveway IV weapon, though. The RAF recently took part in the Red Flag exercises in Nevada, where up to 20 of the bombs were dropped.

     

    DefenseNews

     

     

    Concernant le Yémen ???

     

     

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  9. Est-ce qu'ils ont été rétrofittés?En P2E? Est-ce que ce sont des tranches 1 ou des tranches 2? Ils sont quand même assez vieux, je veux dire qu'ils ne viennent pas d'être livrés.

     

     

    Saudi, U.S. Finalize F-15SA Sale

     

    Amy Butler  |  AWIN First

    Dec 29, 2011

     

    Though Saudi Arabia’s buy of F-15SAs from Boeing gives the company’s St. Louis production line much-needed work, the company’s hopes of selling a semi-stealthy version of the F-15 abroad continue to dim.

     

    The first of Saudi Arabia’s Boeing F-15S refurbished into the F-15SA configuration will be delivered in 2014 with the first new-build F-15SA’s to follow a year later as part of a $29.4 billion weapons sale to the kingdom.

     

    The Obama administration hailed the deal Dec. 29 as providing $3.5 billion in annual impact to the U.S. economy and “supporting” 50,000 jobs in the aerospace industry, as well as the manufacturing sector writ large. However, some of the modification work of older F-15s and structural subassembly fabrication will be handled in Saudi Arabia through the Alsalam Aircraft Company.

     

    The fighter sale is welcome for Boeing, which had already begun work on the aircraft in hopes that a deal would get signed for Saudi Arabia or for more orders from South Korea. With Japan’s recent announcement selecting the F-35A over the Typhoon or Boeing F-18 Super Hornet, it is unlikely Boeing will get an additional sale to Seoul, which is thought to be eager to follow Tokyo’s lead. And, as hope of selling to South Korea wanes, so does the prospect for a buyer of the so-called Silent Eagle variant unveiled by Boeing in March 2009. This kit includes internal weapons bays using a conformal fuel tank design and 15-deg. canted V-tails. South Korea and Israel were potential customers; Israel has already selected the F-35 for its new fighters. Boeing executives say they will await Seoul’s formal request for proposal, however, to see if the Silent Eagle is a contender.

     

    Boeing’s deliveries of F-15SGs to the Royal Singapore Air Force and F-15Ks to South Korea conclude in the third quarter of 2012. Production rate has been one aircraft per month, which can be accelerated if required for Saudi Arabia. A forthcoming definitized contract will spell out the timing.

     

    The U.S. and Saudi Arabia finally signed the new F-15SA deal, announced in October 2010, on Dec. 24 in Riyadh, says Andrew Shapiro, assistant secretary of state for political-military affairs. Though he declined to single out Iran as a regional troublemaker, Shapiro did acknowledge that Tehran is one area to which the sale “sends a strong message … that the U.S. is committed to stability in the Gulf and broader Middle East.”

     

    Included are 84 new F-15SA aircraft from Boeing as well as the refurbishment of 70 F-15Ss to the SA configuration (Aerospace DAILY, Oct. 21, 2010).

     

    The deal with Saudi Arabia includes Raytheon advanced, electronically scanned array (AESA) radars for the F-15s, plus 10 Goodrich DB-110s, an internationally marketable version of the Senior-Year Electro-Optical Reconnaissance System flying on the U-2, and an infrared search-and-track capability. Sniper and Lantirn targeting and navigation pods are also part of the package, along with Digital Electronic Warfare System.

     

    The weapons package features AIM 120C7s, the AIM-9X Sidewinder for air-to-air engagements. Also included are 500-lb. dual-mode laser-guided munitions, 2,000-lb. Paveway III laser-guided bombs and Sensor-fuzed Weapons including the Wind-corrected Munitions Dispensers and 2,000 lb. Joint Direct Attack Munitions for hitting ground targets. The AGM-84 Harpoon Block II, which does not include the Block III data link package for in-flight retargeting, is built-in for engagement of ships and the Saudis are also buying the AGM-88B High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missile.

     

    The F-15 sale is part of a roughly $60 billion weapons request from Saudi Arabia that was long rumored before it was detailed, and it includes another $25.6 billion worth of helicopters and associated equipment: 36 AH-64D Apaches, 72 UH-60Ms, 36 AH-6i Light Attack Helicopters and 12 MD Helicopters MD-530Fs. These orders are still pending approval, according to a defense official. Already, Saudi Arabia has signed a letter of agreement for 36 Apaches.

     

    Aviation Week

     

     

    Saudis Double Their F-15E Fleet (January 10, 2012)

     

    F-15K (South Korean)

     

     

    Paveway III   :  TUCSON, Ariz., Jan. 20, 2011

     

     

    Saudi Arabia becomes first Paveway IV export customer

     

    Nicholas de Larrinaga, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

    25 March 2014

     

    Raytheon has secured its first export order for the Paveway IV precision guided munition. The unnamed customer is understood to be Saudi Arabia. Source: Raytheon

     

    Raytheon has secured its first export customer for the Paveway IV 500lb dual-mode (INS/GPS and laser-guided) precision guided munition (PGM), company officials confirmed on 25 March.

     

    While the company was unable to confirm the identity of the customer, it is understood to be the Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF). The Saudi export order is estimated to be worth in the region of GBP150 million (USD248 million) and to be for around 2,400 Paveway IVs.

     

    A contract for the Paveway IV order is understood to have been signed between Raytheon UK and Saudi Arabia in December 2013, with the company receiving export approval from the US Congress - needed due to the use of US International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) sanctioned technology in the Paveway IV - in February.

     

    The RSAF has long been earmarked as a potential Paveway IV operator, with IHS Jane's reporting in July 2013 that a Saudi export contract for Paveway IV was expected to be signed in December 2013. It is understood the RSAF intends to deploy the Paveway IV from both their Eurofighter Typhoon and Panavia Tornado fighter aircraft, although not from their Boeing F-15 Eagle fighters.

     

    John Michel, business director for Raytheon Missile Systems in the United Kingdom stated the order was of "significant" value and volume of Paveway IVs, but was unable to confirm specific numbers.

     

    Raytheon confirmed that production was already beginning for the new order, with relevant sub-contracts having already been placed. Michel expects that first delivery of the Paveway IV will occur in the next 18 months, with all deliveries completed six months thereafter.

     

    The company also announced the delivery of the 4,000th Paveway IV to the UK Royal Air Force (RAF), the weapon's only current operator, on 25 March. The RAF first ordered the Paveway IV in 2003, placing a contract for around 2,400 units of the PGM. Two further follow on orders (totalling around 1,600 units) were placed by the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) in April and December 2012 to replenish stocks expended on operations in Afghanistan and Libya.

     

    The Saudi order thus comes at a fortuitous time for Raytheon UK, which, with deliveries now almost complete for the RAF, would have otherwise have lacked an order to maintain production at the company's Glenrothes facility in Scotland, which has the capacity to build around 200 Paveway IV units per month.

     

    Michel stated that the export order would maintain production of the Paveway IV at Raytheon UK's Glenrothes facility in Scotland for another 24 months, which provides a solid indication of the number of PGMs involved in the Saudi order. With the RAF's 2012 orders for 1,600 being valued by the UK MoD at over GBP100 million, the value of the Saudi order is likely to be in the region of GBP150 million, plus any additional training, integration, logistics and support costs.

     

    Originally developed for the UK Harrier GR.9 aircraft, the Paveway IV is currently only deployed by the RAF's Panavia Tornado GR.4 fleet, with over 1,000 Paveway IV combat drops carried out by the RAF over both Afghanistan and Libya. Paveway IV marked a step-change for the laser-guided Paveway PGM series, being the first version to incorporate a GPS/INS targeting capability, which has since been introduced into the Enhanced Paveway II series of PGMs, and also a readily programmable detonation capability, including: impact burst, delayed burst, or air-burst detonation options.

     

    Paveway IV was developed for an MoD requirement for a solely INS/GPS guided munition, although the MoD subsequently opted to incorporate a laser-guidance unit, with the baseline Paveway IV accordingly now featuring both INS/GPS and laser guidance. Unlike other iterations of the Paveway series, the Paveway IV is only available as a 500lb weapon, using the Mk 83 warhead.

     

    Work to operationally clear the Paveway IV on the Typhoon has been underway for some time under the Typhoon Phase 1 Enhancement (P1E) programme, with TJ Marsden, chief engineer on the Paveway IV programme stating on 25 March that Raytheon had now completed integration work of the PGM on the Typhoon. Alongside the integration work of Paveway IV on Typhoon, Raytheon has completely requalified the bomb for the Tornado to certify the aircraft to carry the PGM on all of its weapon stations and for all operational scenarios. Operational clearance of the Paveway IV on the Typhoon is expected to follow Raytheon's completion of the integration work, although the exact timeline for this is in the hands of the UK MoD.

     

    The Paveway IVs for Saudi Arabia are expected to be of Raytheon's new baseline for the PGM, known as Mk II, which incorporates improved capabilities, based on the RAF's operational experience with the munition. These include an improved level of GPS accuracy, and an increased launch acceptability region for releasing the Paveway IV.

     

    Additionally, Raytheon has developed a number of optional spiral upgrades for the Paveway IV, under the Selective Precision Effects At Range (SPEAR) Capability 1 programme, which are expected to be shortly be decided on by the UK MoD Defence Board. The first of these is a low collateral damage warhead for the Paveway IV, which Raytheon fired for the first time in early March at the MoD's West Freugh test range in Scotland.

     

    The company has also developed a penetrator warhead for the Paveway IV, through which the company is aiming to provide roughly the same level of capability as a 2,000 lb penetrator in a 500 lb package. To achieve this, the warhead incorporates an inner hardened-steel penetrator surrounded by a frangible peeling shroud, operating on the same principle as a sabot round to provide a higher sectional density and reduced impact area to improve penetration, while maintaining the same form and fit as with the standard Mk 83 warhead.

     

    The third upgrade provides the transfer of the moving targeting capability of the Enhanced Paveway II's digital seeker onto the Paveway IV, allowing for the engagement of manoeuvring targets travelling at speeds of over 70 mph. A fourth upgrade, not part of the UK's SPEAR Cap 1 programme, includes the installation of an active-GPS anti-jamming unit in the tail of the Paveway IV, augmenting the passive anti-jam capability already present in the PGM's seeker.

     

    The company expects that these upgrades could be operational within four to five years of MoD approval, with both the low collateral warhead and the digital seeker upgrades expected to be cost neutral.

  10. Cela ressemble à un gigantesque exercice interarmées.

     

    Non, c'est beaucoup plus profond.

     

     

    Ambiance :

     

     

    A salute to our heroes liberating Yemen

     

    Khalaf Ahmad Al Habtoor

    Friday, 27 March 2015

     

    On Thursday, I awoke to news that brought peace of mind and filled my heart with pride, feelings I’m certain are shared by my Emirati compatriots and nationals of GCC states, and all dignified Arabs. Finally, we have taken command of our own destiny and control of our own security. For many decades, I’ve been longing for this very moment. Just when Yemen was going the way of Lebanon, Syria and Iraq – all Arab countries under Iranian domination via proxies – the tide is turning in our favour as I write.

     

    It goes without saying that conflict should always be a last option, but there can be no meaningful dialogue with the Islamic Republic of Iran, a nation with ambitions of reinstating the Persian Empire and quashing Arabs under its boot, just as it has stamped upon Sunnis and ethnic/religious minorities in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq as well as the long-suffering Ahwazi Arabs.

     

    Perhaps Iran can succeed in pulling the wool over the eyes of the P5 +1 whose representatives are negotiating over Tehran’s uranium enrichment program, but it cannot con its Gulf neighbours, who’ve fallen foul of Iran’s tricks time and time again.

     

    There should be no stopping until Yemen is cleansed of pro-Iranian traitors and the legitimate government is reinstated in the capital, Sana’a. There should be no concessions made to the Shiite Houthi militias; those Iranian operatives have forfeited the right to call themselves ‘Arab’. They are betrayers deserving of the severest of punishments.

     

    Ultimate betrayal

     

    Fighters who choose to surrender do not merit trials; they should be shipped to their ideological motherland, Iran. Their actions - dissolving parliament, ejecting the democratically-elected president, taking over government buildings and terrorising Yemenis from north to south - constitute the ultimate betrayal.

     

    I’ve observed Iran’s ideological and geopolitical expansion with great sorrow - and have long feared that without strong actions to thwart Iran’s aims, Gulf States risk being targeted next. But now that Saudi Arabia has launched “Operation Decisive Storm” together with its Gulf allies in Yemen’s defence at the request of the internationally-recognised government led by Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi, I feel that a positive new page has been turned. This is what we have been hoping-for; this is what our people want.

     

    Militias who make obeisance to the ayatollahs and have made armed incursions into Saudi Arabia cannot be permitted control over Yemen’s airplanes, missiles, tanks and other military equipment. And neither can they be trusted not to hold siege to the Bab el-Mandeb Strait that not only connects the Red sea with the Indian Ocean but is also a link to the Suez Canal.

     

    “We don’t require a green light from anyone to defend our land”

     

    Kudos to those GCC leaders who were courageous enough to take the right decisions! History will record this brave stance you have taken to defend Yemen’s sovereignty and our region’s security. Today, we have leaders willing to lead rather than follow diktats from big powers. Your names will be engraved on monuments and will remain in the hearts of our children and grandchildren. Bravo! May God help you always to do what is best for our Arab nation!

     

    Defensive military intervention

     

    ‘Decisive Storm’ is the perfect name for this defensive military intervention taken by the descendants of some of the greatest Arab leaders beginning with the Prophet Mohamed (PBUH), whose victorious mantel was adopted by the second Muslim Caliph Omar ibn Al-Khattab, commander of the Muslim armies who defeated Khosrau, King of Persia and Heraclius, the Byzantine Emperor.

     

    We are showing Iran and the world that we will no longer bury our heads in the sand while keeping up the pretence that all is well. We are displaying our strength with a massive show of military might thanks also to staunch backing from our allies – Egypt, Sudan, Jordan, Morocco and Pakistan, which have all pledged to contribute to this righteous battle. Thank you to all our friends who didn’t hesitate to stand with their Yemeni brothers in their hour of need.

     

    It is my hope that the Arab League Summit to be held in Sharm el-Sheikh on March 28-29 will be just as decisive in its backing of a Joint Arab Force able to tackle any emergency in our part of the world. We can no longer rely on our western allies to do the job for us, especially when their foreign policies are muddled and incoherent. The U.S. is courting Iran in Switzerland and sharing intelligence with the Iranian military supposedly ‘advising’ the Iraqi Army in its campaign against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), even as it supports the Syrian opposition battling Iranian Revolutionary Guards and Hezbollah defending the criminal Assad regime.

     

    I must admit that I’ve been irritated watching Western and Arab analysts discuss Yemen on various television networks. Invariably, presenters all ask the same question: Was ‘Decisive Storm’ launched with approval from the Obama administration? What kind of question is that?

     

    Treated like underage children

     

    We don’t require a green light from anyone to defend our land, the safety of our peoples or our collective dignity. As a nation of 367 million, acknowledged as the birthplace of civilisation, we resent being treated like underage children. We neither need nor should seek permission from anyone.

     

    It is my fervent hope that once Yemen is delivered from the Houthi epidemic, this Saudi-led coalition made-up of ten likeminded countries will be preserved and will turn its attention of freeing Iraq from Persian occupation. Iraq must be ruled by loyal Arabs, whether Sunni or Shiite, not those on bended knee to a foreign state working against Arab interests.

     

    And, God willing, the day will come when our beloved Lebanon and Syria will no more be enslaved to Iran’s bullying proxies, provided our leaders keep up this historic patriotic impetus. If we don’t free our Arab territories from the silent diseases tearing them apart, the peoples of the Gulf and those of our allies will remain in constant danger.

     

    Lastly, I must congratulate our GCC leaders. You have made us proud. Your firm action permits us to hold our heads high; I pray that you will continue to defend our nation, our independence and our dignity. And to our armed forces, especially our pilots that risk their lives during every mission, I wish you every success. Keep safe and may God strengthen you in your task of protecting our Arab soil, our Yemeni brothers and sisters and our honour.

     

    Al Arabiya

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  11. les houthis ont deja combattu les saoud, en 2009/2010, et ils ont vaincu et ont meme fini par envahir le territoire saoudien...

     

     

    La bonne version du récit :

     

     

     

    Dazzling new weapons require new rules for war

     

    By David Ignatius

    Thursday, November 11, 2010

     

    A new arsenal of drones and satellite-guided weapons is changing the nature of warfare. America and its NATO allies possess these high-tech weapons, but smaller countries want them, too. Here's an inside glimpse of how the process of technology transfer works:

     

    A year ago, Saudi Arabia was fighting a nasty border war against the Houthi rebels across its frontier with Yemen. The Saudis began bombing Houthi targets inside Yemen on Nov. 5, 2009, but the airstrikes were inaccurate, and there were reports of civilian casualties.

     

    The Saudis appealed to America for imagery from U.S. surveillance satellites in space, so they could target more precisely. Gen. David Petraeus, who was Centcom commander at the time, is said to have backed the Saudi request, but it was opposed by the State Department and others. They warned that intervening in this border conflict, even if only by providing targeting information, could violate the laws of war.

     

    So the Saudis turned elsewhere for help - to France, which has its own reconnaissance satellites. The French, who were worried that imprecise Saudi bombing was creating too many civilian casualties in Yemen, agreed to help. The necessary details were arranged within days.

     

    When French President Nicolas Sarkozy visited Riyadh on Nov. 17, he was ready to open the new intelligence liaison channel. A Saudi official recalls that by the first night of Sarkozy's visit, detailed pictures of the Yemeni battle space began to move electronically to the Saudis.

     

    Using this precise satellite intelligence, the Saudis were able to monitor the Houthis' hideouts, equipment dumps and training sites. Saudi warplanes then attacked with devastating effectiveness. Within a few weeks, the Houthis were requesting a truce, and by February this chapter of the border war was over.

     

    For the Saudis, this was an important military success. "The French were extremely helpful" and their assistance "was a key reason we were able to force the Houthis to capitulate," says a Saudi official.

     

    The Washington Post

     

     

    Même en prenant en compte la SANG, 150,000 hommes, ça signifie engager 60% forces terrestres. J'ai vraiment du mal à croire.

     

    J’y souscris pleinement et je pense que cela ne se produira pas.

     

     

     

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  12. Moi, le chiffre qui m'étonne c'est les 150.000 soldats. Il n'y a pas un zéro en trop ? D'ailleurs, les saoudiens ont un système de conscription ?

     

    Pas pour l'instant. Contrairement dorénavant - depuis 2014 - aux UAE, Koweït  et Qatar (Courte période pour le moment).

     

     

    L'effectif total de l'armée de terre d'Arabie Saoudite est de l'ordre de 150,000.

     

     

     

    Or SANG (100,000) qui utilisera très certainement  ses tout nouveaux AH-64 Apache. Si il y a une offensive terrestre.

     

     

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  13. le Yemen c'est pas si petit  que ça .... à peine plus petit que la France..... bon il n'y a qu'une partie concernée  mais quand même ...

     

    et le voisin OMAN  il bouge pas ? 

     

     

    Disons qu’ils sont énormément occupés en ce moment par des affaires bien plus urgentes.  :oops:

     

     

     

    After Qaboos, who will be Oman's next sultan?

     

    Author Bruce Riedel

    Posted January 25, 2015

     

    The death of King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia turns the focus of succession speculation in Arabia to the Sultanate of Oman. Sultan Qaboos, the longest-serving ruler in the Middle East, has been in Germany for unspecified health reasons since last summer. While the Saudi succession was transparent, Oman’s is opaque.

     

    Qaboos was born on Nov. 18, 1940, in Salalah, the capital of Oman’s western province of Dhofar, which borders on Yemen. He is the 14th-generation descendant of the founder of the Al Bu Sa’idi dynasty that created the sultanate in the 1600s after expelling the Portuguese from Muscat. He was educated in India and the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst, then spent a year with the British Army of the Rhine in Germany. When he returned home to Salalah, his father kept him isolated and under virtual house arrest in the palace. The father was notoriously averse to any modernization of the country.

     

    Qaboos came to power in July 1970 in a coup orchestrated by British intelligence using army officers seconded to the Omani army. British officers took control of the palace, lightly wounded the sultan in a short gunfight and then Qaboos’ father was flown out of the country on a Royal Air Force jet, never to return. London was convinced regime change was essential because the country was in a civil war with a communist insurgency backed by the Soviets and their then proxy, the People’s Democratic Republic of Yemen. The country had only 10 kilometers (six miles) of modern roads, virtually no education or health infrastructure and seemed about to become the next Arab monarchy to collapse.

     

    With British encouragement, Qaboos asked the Shah of Iran and King Hussein of Jordan for help. The Iranians sent a regiment of troops and the Jordanians sent advisers. The communist insurgency in Dhofar was defeated and many of its leaders defected to the new government. Qaboos modernized the country, established a parliament and created one of the most stable and well-governed countries in the Middle East. Oman had a miniature version of the Arab Spring in 2011, during which the Sultan ordered further reforms to answer calls for change, and demonstrations petered out. The majority of Oman’s 4 million residents have never known any ruler except Qaboos.

     

    While maintaining special ties to the United Kingdom, Qaboos has also been a close ally of the United States. Oman was the staging base for the ill-fated American hostage rescue mission in 1980 to get the American diplomats home from Iran. Oman participated in Operation Desert Storm to liberate Kuwait. Later Oman became a useful intermediary for sending messages from Washington to Tehran. Most recently, Oman has hosted secret talks between the US and Iran on Iran’s nuclear program.

     

    In July, the Sultan traveled to his residence in Munich for medical tests. He has not left since, and last year he missed the Omani National Day (his birthday) celebration for the first time since his coup. He also failed to travel to Saudi Arabia for Abdullah’s funeral, a notable omission for a fellow Gulf monarch. He is widely reported to be suffering from terminal cancer. He has barely spoken to the nation since he traveled to Germany, giving only a brief address on National Day.

     

    The sultan has no sons and has not publicly designated an heir. The royal family is supposed to choose a successor within three days of the sultan’s death. If the family cannot agree, it is to open a sealed letter that Qaboos has written that contains the name of his choice. The three men believed to be the most likely candidates are the sons of Qaboos’ late uncle, Tariq bin Taimur, who served as the sultan’s first prime minister. (Qaboos now holds the position himself.) None appears to have been groomed for power: Assad bin Tariq is a Sandhurst-educated businessman; Haitham bin Tariq is Oman’s culture minister; and Shihab bin Tariq led the navy for 14 years, but retired from the post a decade ago. No successor will have the legitimacy Qaboos has earned.

     

    The royal family has every incentive to make the succession smooth. The country faces two dangers. Like the other GCC states, Oman depends on oil for most of its income, but it has relatively small reserves. The decline in oil prices is a much bigger challenge for Oman than for its richer neighbors because it has far smaller financial reserves.

     

    The more immediate danger is the chaos in Yemen. The collapse of the central government and the resignation of President Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi’s government means Oman faces near-anarchy on its sensitive western border. Qaboos and his successor will face a long-term problem of keeping the Yemeni civil war and its violence from damaging Omani interests.

     

    The succession in Saudi Arabia was scripted well in advance and went off like clockwork. King Salman was quick to put in place the long-term succession arrangements for the kingdom by appointing Crown Prince Muqrin bin Abd al Aziz and Second Deputy Prime Minister Prince Mohammad bin Nayef to the No. 2 and No. 3 positions. Oman’s succession appears far less orderly from an outside, public point of view. Since Oman sits at the opening of the Straits of Hormuz, the whole world has an interest in a smooth and stable transition.

     

    Al-monitor

  14. Voilà les va-t'en-guerre arabes sortent leur grand moyens seulement quand il s'agit du chiisme ( soit disant pour stopper l'infuence iranienne ) .....

     

    - La population du Gaza cet été attendait avec impatience cette intervention mais malheureusement ce n'est pas le meme ennemi ( ah c'est l'ami de mon maitre , je ne peux pas lui faire la guerre )

     

    -Personne ne bouge pour stopper l'influence du wahabisme sur le monde arabe et les résultats sont là avec chaques dix ans de nouvelle armées de mercenaires barbares

     

    -Les arabes n'ont plus de coui....s !!! et ça fait longtemps ....

     

     

    Ce pseudo argument, dépourvu de toute rationalité, m’amuse toujours aussi énormément.

     

     

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  15. Saudi deploys 100 fighter jets, 150,000 soldiers for anti-Houthi campaign

     

    By Staff writer | Al Arabiya News

    Thursday, 26 March 2015

     

    Saudi Arabia deployed 100 fighter jets, 150,000 soldiers and other navy units on Thursday, after it launched its operation against the Houthi rebels in Yemen, Al Arabiya News Channel reported.

     

    The Saudi aerial deployment enabled the Royal Saudi Air Force to take control of Yemen’s airspace early Thursday.

     

    Reports also emerged that top Houthi leadership Abdulkhaliq al-Houthi, Yousuf al-Madani, and Yousuf al-Fishi were killed, and head of the Revolutionary Committee for the Houthis, Mohammed Ali al-Hothi, was wounded.

     

    Saudi allies including its Gulf counterparts - except Oman - also showcased their military power to curb the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels from reaching Aden to dislodge Yemeni President Abedrabbo Mansour Hadi, who remained in the southern city.

     

    The Gulf nations said they decided to “repel Houthi aggression” in neighboring Yemen, following a request from the country’s President Abedrabbo Mansour Hadi.

     

    In their joint statement Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar and Kuwait said they “decided to repel Houthi militias, al-Qaeda and ISIS [islamic State of Iraq and Syria] in the country.”

     

    The Gulf states warned that the Houthi coup in Yemen represented a “major threat” to the region’s stability.

     

    The UAE contributed 30 fighter jets, Bahrain 15, Kuwaiti 15, Qatar 10 and Jordan 6 in the operation.

     

    On Thursday, Egypt, Pakistan, Jordan and Sudan also expressed their readiness to participate on the ground in Yemen.

     

    The Western-backed Syrian National Coalition opposition group said it backed the Saudi operation and voiced its support to Hadi as Yemen’s “legitimate” leader.

     

    The campaign has also received the backing of the U.S..

     

    The White House on Wednesday said Washington is coordinating closely with Saudi Arabia and regional allies in the campaign, providing intelligence and logistical support.

     

     

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    (Design by Farwa Rizwan/ Al Arabiya News)

     

     

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  16. Tu sais ce que mon tout petit doigt me dit. C’est  que ce n’est certainement pas quelques centaines ou mêmes quelques milliers de sunnites embrigadés pour faveurs - sur des millions - et servant comme par hasard d’encarts publicitaires relayés qui feront la différence sur le terrain.

     

    Quant au soi-disant fait avancé qu’uniquement certaines milices chiites soient impliquées dans ces débordements involontaires, pour parler poliment, laisse-moi rire. C’est une volonté supérieur qui a planifié et orchestrer tout ceci dans un dessein ultime, l’annexion pure et simple de l’Irak chiite utile. Cela se produira par une épuration sectaire et territoriale implacable dès lors que toutes les pièces de l’échiquier seront en place, ce qui ne saurait tarder. L’occasion est bien trop belle pour une revanche sur l’histoire pour s’en priver si près du but et ne pas s’en vanter orgueilleusement comme l'a psalmodié sempiternellement le si sympathique Khomeini. Tout le monde est prévenu, là-bas.

     

     

     

    Pour le conseiller de Rohani, « le Moyen-Orient est une région iranienne et Bagdad est notre capitale »

     

    10/03/2015

     

    Le conseiller du président iranien Hassan Rohani, Ali Younsi, a estimé hier, d'après le site Alkhaleejonline, que son pays est devenu un « empire ». « L'Iran est devenu aujourd'hui un empire, comme il l'a toujours été au cours de l'histoire. Bagdad est sa capitale actuelle, et elle représente, comme par le passé, le centre de notre civilisation, de notre culture et de notre identité », en référence à l'empire perse sassanide, qui englobait l'Irak. Commentant les combats actuels opposant l'armée et les milices chiites irakiennes aux jihadistes de l'État islamique (EI), il a affirmé que « géographiquement, l'Iran et l'Irak sont indissociables, tout comme (leur) culture ». Younsi, qui a occupé le poste de ministre des Renseignements dans le gouvernement du président réformateur Mohammad Khatemi, a aussi ajouté : « Nous défendrons tous les peuples de la région, car nous les considérons comme faisant partie de l'Iran ; nous ferons face à l'extrémisme islamiste, aux takfiris, aux athées, aux néo-ottomans, aux wahhabites, aux Occidentaux et aux sionistes. » Répondant aux détracteurs de l'influence de son pays dans la région, il a également appelé à la formation d'une « union iranienne ». « Je ne veux pas dire par là qu'il faut abolir les frontières, mais que tous les pays voisins de l'Iran doivent se rapprocher les uns des autres, leurs intérêts étant profondément liés. »

     

    Les propos du conseiller du président Rohani, considéré comme « modéré » par les puissances occidentales, ont été tenus lors du forum sur l'identité iranienne dimanche à Téhéran, selon l'agence d'information Esna. Deux jours plus tôt, le ministre saoudien des Affaires étrangères, le prince Saoud al-Fayçal, avait affirmé que « l'Iran contrôle l'Irak », donnant pour exemple l'offensive de Tikrit au cours de laquelle combattent, en plus de l'armée irakienne et des milices chiites, des troupes menées par le chef des gardiens de la révolution Qassem Souleimani.

     

    L’Orient Le Jour

  17. Ca sent pas bon mais pas bon du tout. La coalition - coté occidentale - devrait se poser urgemment les bonnes questions concernant sa participation à ce qui se révèle comme une putain de guerre sectaire infernale qui ne dit pas son nom et dont personne ne peut prédire l’issue régionale et mondiale.

     

    Si l’objectif  premier était d’endiguer et d’étouffer le ralliement à l’EI, on n’en prend absolument pas  le chemin. Bien au contraire.

     

     

    Iraq militia leader hails Iran’s ‘unconditional’ support

     

    Yacoub reported from Baghdad. Associated Press writer Vivian Salama in Baghdad contributed to this report.

    March 13

     

    TIKRIT, Iraq — The U.S. has failed to live up to its promises to help Iraq fight Islamic State extremists, unlike the “unconditional” assistance being given by Iran, the commander of Iraq’s powerful Shiite militias alleged Friday.

     

    In a battlefield interview near Tikrit, where Iraqi forces are fighting to retake Saddam Hussein’s hometown from the militants of the so-called Islamic State, commander Hadi al-Amiri criticized those who “kiss the hands of the Americans and get nothing in return.”

     

    Iraqi forces entered Tikrit for the first time Wednesday from the north and south. On Friday, they waged fierce battles to secure the northern neighborhood of Qadisiyya and lobbed mortar shells and rockets into the city center, still in the hands of IS militants. Iraqi military officials have said they expect to reach central Tikrit in two to three days.

     

    The Iranian-backed Shiite militias have played a crucial role in regaining territory from the Sunni extremists of the Islamic State group, supporting Iraq’s embattled military and police forces.

     

    An Iraqi government official told The Associated Press that Iran has sold Baghdad nearly $10 billion in arms and hardware, mostly weapons for urban warfare like assault rifles, heavy machine-guns and rocket launchers. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media.

     

    In November, President Barack Obama authorized the deployment of up to 1,500 more U.S. troops to bolster Iraqi forces, which could more than double the total of American forces in Iraq to 3,100. The Pentagon has made a spending request to Congress of $1.6 billion, focusing on training and arming Kurdish and Iraqi forces. According to a Pentagon document prepared in November, the U.S. is looking to provide an estimated $89.3 million in weapons and equipment to each of the nine Iraqi brigades.

     

    The U.S.-led coalition of eight countries has launched more than 2,000 airstrikes in Iraq alone since August 2014, and the U.S. is also hitting the militant group from the air in Syria. Iraqi and U.S. officials have acknowledged the role airstrikes have played in rolling back the militants, saying the air campaign was an essential component in victories at the Mosul Dam, in Amirli, and more recently, in the crucial oil refining town of Beiji.

     

    But the U.S. is not taking part in the operation in Tikrit, with U.S. officials saying they were not asked by Iraq to participate.

     

    Al-Amiri, the Shiite militia commander who also is head of the Badr Organization political party, said that “help from Iran is unconditional.”

     

    He warned that Iraq should not sacrifice its sovereignty for the sake of receiving weapons and assistance from the U.S., suggesting the Iraqi government is taking instructions from Washington.

     

    “Our sovereignty is more important than U.S. weapons,” he said. “We can bring weapons from any country in the world.”

     

    Separately, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Iraq’s top Shiite cleric, urged the government to step up its support for the Shiite militias and to take care of the families of militiamen killed in battle. His remarks were relayed by his spokesman Ahmed al-Safi in the Shiite holy city of Karbala.

     

    As many as 30,000 men are fighting the extremists in Tikrit — most of them volunteers with various Shiite militias, Iraqi officials say. U.S. Gen. Martin Dempsey said Wednesday that up to 20,000 militiamen may be involved.

     

    Karim al-Nouri, a spokesman for the Popular Mobilization Forces, the official name of the Shiite militias, said as many as 40 Iranian advisers are also taking part.

     

    In its march across Syria and northern and western Iraq, the Islamic State group — also known as ISIS or ISIL — has seized cities, towns and vast tracts of land. Its predominantly Sunni fighters view Shiites as apostates and have carried out a number of massacres.

     

    On Friday, a prominent Iraqi Sunni preacher urged authorities to prevent Shiite militias from carrying out revenge attacks on Sunnis in Tikrit. In his appeal, Sheik Abdel Sattar Abdul Jabbar cited reports of Shiite militiamen burning Sunni homes in the battle.

     

    “We ask that actions follow words to punish those who are attacking houses in Tikrit,” Abdul Jabbar said during his Friday sermon in Baghdad. “We are sorry about those acting in revenge that might ignite tribal anger and add to our sectarian problems.”

     

    Abdul Jabbar said that if the government failed to stop revenge attacks by Shiite militias, Iraq would face reignited sectarian tensions, similar to those it witnessed at the height of Iraq’s sectarian wars in 2006 and 2007.

     

    Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi last week called on his forces to protect civilians and their property in recaptured areas, vowing zero tolerance for any violations. He also urged Sunnis who may have welcomed the initial onslaught or fought beside the militants to give up their support for IS.

     

    “I call upon those who have been misled or committed a mistake to lay down arms and join their people and security forces in order to liberate their cities,” al-Abadi said.

     

    Human Rights Watch said Friday the Shiite militias have engaged in “deliberate destruction of civilian property” after security forces recaptured the town of Amirli and other areas where Sunni militants were driven out. In a report titled, “After Liberation Came Destruction: Iraqi Militias and the Aftermath of Amerli,” the rights group cited evidence that militias looted the property of Sunni civilians who had fled fighting, burned their homes and businesses, and destroyed at least two villages.

     

    “Iraq clearly faces serious threats in its conflict with ISIS, but the abuses committed by forces fighting ISIS are so rampant and egregious that they are threatening Iraq long-term,” said Joe Stork, the deputy Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch. “Iraqis are caught between the horrors ISIS commits and abusive behavior by militias, and ordinary Iraqis are paying the price.”

     

    The Washington Post

     

     

    Le rapport accablant de ‘Human Rights Watch’ :

     

    After Liberation Came Destruction: Iraqi Militias and the Aftermath of Amerli (PDF)

  18. Soulagement, avec toutes ces annonces contradictoires depuis quelques jours !

    J'espère que le paiement est garantie par l'AS, pour ne pas déchanter plus tard.

     

    Content pour notre bel oiseau qui est enfin apprécié à sa juste valeur en espérant beaucoup d'autres commandes.

    Histoire d'inverser les rôles, coté bashing  d'abord avec cette presse faux cul.

    Qui ce soir au 20h sur la 2 à continué d'affirmer que les méventes du rafale étaient essentiellement dues à son tarif par rapport aux concurrents.

    Ils ont l'air fin maintenant ! 

    Moins heureux pour la Royale qui perd une Frem au moment ou elle en à le plus besoin !

     

    Enfin disons indirectement - et pas que KSA seulement -.

     

     

     

     

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