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Dans les émirats par exemple depuis les années 90 et la guerre du golfe, il y a 5000 soldats et gendarmes marocains stationnés la bas , une sorte de garde armée, avec des instructeurs également . Tu signe une sorte de CDD de 10 ans ou moins , et tu travaille la bas , je connais des marocains qui sont pompiers la bas , des gendarmes aussi , des policiers ...

Faut dire aussi que , a part l'AS , les autres pays du Golfe sont obligé de faire appel a des étrangers pour occuper les postes militaires ou autres ayant un rapport avec la sécurité , car démographiquement parlant , quand ont est 400 000 autochtones comme au Qatar , avec des salaires moyens de 10000 euros , eau électricité gratuite , études gratuites , maison gratuite , qui va vouloir s'engager dans l'armée ? :D Pas moi en tout cas .

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Oui, aux Émirats il y a aussi une société civile qui embauche des étrangers pour travailler dans l'armée emiratie. J'avais d'ailleurs été approché il y a quelques années, mais je ne me souviens pas du nom de la boite...

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Beaucoup de Pakistanais aussi , même pilote de chasse a temps plein dans plusieurs aviations du Golfe . Bref c'est un gros business , dans tout les pays arabes ils recrutent, faute de population suffisante . Par exemple au Maroc il y a des bandes criminelles organisées qui font du business la dessus , ils revendent a prix d'or des contrats pour travailler dans ces pays la sa peut aller jusqu'à 10 milles 15 milles euros ... Même chose en Égypte , Jordanie ...

Après il y a des accords de défense entre pays , entre le Maroc et le Bahreïn il y a un accord avec instructeurs marocains sur places au Bahreïn dans l'armée , la police et divers services de sécurités .

Il faut dire aussi que les arabes du Golfe n'ont pas cette culture guerrière et l'argent en abondance n'a pas arranger les choses ils sont devenus paresseux , même si dans le passé ils ont propagés l'islam grâce a la guerre . Les Maghrébins , les Turcs , Iraniens, Pakistanais etc sont beaucoup plus guerrier et combatif . Donc a la moindre escarmouche ils appellent a la rescousse d'autres armée arabes pour les aider et même combattre a leur place .

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GDLS Canada is currently producing at London, Ontario the Ocelot light armored vehicle and the Piranha based LAV 8×8 vehicle. Photo: DLS Canada.

 

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GDLS is currently producing the upgrade kits for the Canadian LAV III vehicles (LAV UP) for the Canadian Army. Photo: GDLS Canada

 

Les véhicules en question

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Et quitte a envoyer pour des milliards en l'air, ils ne pouvaient pas s'equiper chez Nexter aussi ? :'(

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Les Saoudien n'avaient surement pas d'interet de prendre un vci dernier cri avec un blindage stanag4 sans compter le prix ...

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Report: German Government To Cancel Saudi Tank Deal

Apr. 13, 2014 - 11:31AM | By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

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A Leopard-2 tank participates in military exercises during a Jan. 28 visit by German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen at the Bundeswehr combat training centerin Letzlingen, Germany. The German government will not approve a reported deal to sell up to 800 battle tanks to Saudi Arabia, according to a report. (Sean Gallup / Getty Images)

BERLIN — The German government will not approve a reported deal to sell up to 800 battle tanks to Saudi Arabia, a German Sunday newspaper said, citing government sources.

The sale of the Leopard-2 tanks was billed as one of the biggest deals for the German armaments industry, Bild reported.

But Economy Minister Sigmar Gabriel, a Social Democrat in the left-right “grand coalition,” has “positioned himself against a tanks delivery to the autocratic royal house,” it said, citing government sources.

“Without agreement from the economy minister, the deal has no chance,” Bild said.

The report said the deal was not sent for approval to the German national security council, which counts Chancellor Angela Merkel among its members.

In 2012 Bild am Sonntag reported that Saudi Arabia wanted to buy 600-800 Leopard battle tanks from Germany, more than twice as many as originally envisaged.

Its latest report Sunday said Saudi Arabia was chasing the German tanks for years and had budgeted nearly €18 billion ($25 billion) for them.

The Leopard-2 tanks, Germany’s main battle tank, is also produced under license in Spain.

Germany declined to sell heavy weapons to Saudi Arabia for decades because of concerns over human rights and fears for Israel’s security.

Contacted by AFP, an economy ministry spokeswoman said the government did not give information about “individual procedural stages of possible approvals for export of munitions.”

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Purée, les allemands font la fine bouche sur 800 tanks

 

 

>> On a des Leclerc en rab?  :happy:

Les Allemands ont largement de quoi faire la fine bouche sur des gros contrats, enfin, 18 milliards, ca commence à faire, même pour eux.

Et nos nouveaux meilleurs copains, ils ne peuvent pas rouvrir (recréer ?) la chaine d'assemblage du Leclerc pour ce prix là ?

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Les Allemands sont peut-être pénalisés par leurs ventes récentes dans les pays voisins, pas forcément fans des Saouds. Il y a aussi le récurrent problème des droits de l'homme, qui les ennuie pour vendre aux Saoudiens (et ne parlons pas des Israéliens).

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L'Arabie Saoudite va surement acheter ses Leo 2 à l'Espagne qui le produit sous licence... avec des pièces qu'ils commanderont en allemagne. 

Merkel ne va quand même pas refuser de vendre des pièces détachés à un pays européen allié et respectueux des droits de l'homme, non ?   

Comme ça les susceptibilités et besoins de chacun seront respectées. 

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L'Allemagne a coupé la livraison des pièces nécessaires à la motorisation du Merkava IV en 2002. Donc pour l'Espagne...

De plus, il n'est pas sûr que la licence espagnol autorise la vente des chars sans feu vert de Berlin.

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L'Arabie Saoudite va surement acheter ses Leo 2 à l'Espagne qui le produit sous licence... avec des pièces qu'ils commanderont en allemagne. 

Merkel ne va quand même pas refuser de vendre des pièces détachés à un pays européen allié et respectueux des droits de l'homme, non ?   

Comme ça les susceptibilités et besoins de chacun seront respectées. 

Tu veux dire que l'Allemagne ne nous aurais jamais coupe l'approvisionement en chassis unimog pour des aravis vendus a l'Arabie Saoudite ?

 

Non, serieux, si Berlin est motive a refuser la vente, ca ne va pas se faire, les ventes militaires n'etant pas forcement vu de facon aussi importante qu'ici.

 

Mais bon, encore une fois, ca ferait quand meme une sacre baffe au client.

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Apache pour l’Arabie Saoudite !

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L'Arabie saoudite a commencé à recevoir ses premiers hélicoptères d'attaque AH-64E «Apache» de Boeing. Ce pays a commandé un total de 36 Boeing AH-64E «Apache» qui doivent équiper la Royal Saudi Terrestres Forces (RSLF).

http://psk.blog.24heures.ch/archive/2014/09/18/apache-pour-l-arabie-saoudite-857035.html

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Saudi Arabia Launches Military Operations Against Houthi Targets in Yemen

Saudi Arabia and its Gulf Arab allies launched a military operation involving air strikes in Yemen against Houthi fighters, the Saudi envoy to Washington said on Wednesday.

Adel al-Jubeir said Saudi Arabia acted to 'defend the legitimate government' of President Abd Rabbuh Mansour Hadi, who was toppled after the Houthi militia seized control of the Yemeni capital of Sana last September.

The military operation in Yemen started at 7 p.m. EST. It began with airstrikes, but will also involve "other military assets," al-Jubeir said, adding that artillery from a coalition of more than 10 countries is en route to Saudi Arabia.

Reports from the ground indicate that Saudi forces have bombed an office belonging to Houthi rebels in Sanaa's Jiraf area, with many casualties. Local residents say bombs from warplanes have completely destroyed the airport in Sanaa, which is now without power.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2015/03/mil-150326-sputnik01.htm?_m=3n.002a.1376.wp0ao00ubp.19h2

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Droit de l'Homme en Arabie Sahoudite, enjeu politique canadien et fourniture de Piranha-3 :

Canadian PM: Human rights issues won't derail LAV sale to Saudis

By David Pugliese 11:27 a.m. EDT October 4, 2015

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VICTORIA, British Columbia — Canada’s prime minister said a deal to provide Saudi Arabia with light armored vehicles will proceed despite growing concerns about that country’s human rights record.

The CAN $14.8 billion (US $11 billion) deal would see General Dynamics Land Systems-Canada of London, Ontario, selling Saudi Arabia light armored vehicles (LAV) in what Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the “largest [export] contract in Canadian history.”

The deal, originally announced in February 2014, has been shrouded in secrecy, with the Saudis not even acknowledging they are purchasing the Canadian-built LAVs.

But Canada’s federal election campaign has now thrust the contract into the spotlight.

During a Sept. 24 televised debate among the various political party leaders, Harper found himself under attack by the New Democratic Party (NDP) and Bloc Quebecois Party for allowing the Saudi deal to proceed.

Harper’s Conservative Party is in a tough three-way race with the NDP and the Liberal Party to form the next government on Oct. 19.

Harper said during the debate that canceling the contract would punish General Dynamics employees in Canada. A day later he acknowledged human rights violations in Saudi Arabia but said that any of Canada’s allies would have signed a similar defense export deal with the Saudis.

The NDP has raised concerns about Saudi Arabia’s human rights record but has stopped short of saying it would cancel the contract if elected.

Instead, NDP leader Tom Mulcair said an NDP government would launch an examination of Canadian rules governing defense equipment exports to nations with dubious human rights records.

The LAV contract emerged in the election campaign after a decision by Saudi courts in June to uphold the sentencing of blogger Raif Badawi to 10 years in prison and 1,000 lashes. Badawi, whose family has been granted asylum in Canada, was sent to prison last year for insulting Islam.

Canadian media also are reporting the international outcry surrounding Saudi Arabia’s imprisonment of anti-government protester Ali Mohammed al-Nimr. He was arrested when he was 17 and now faces beheading and crucifixion for taking part in anti-government protests in 2012.

Canada’s Foreign Affairs Minister Rob Nicholson also was confronted by opposition party candidates about the LAV contract and Saudi human rights abuses during a Sept. 28 election debate. Nicholson defended the contract, noting that Saudi Arabia is part of the coalition, including Canada, which is fighting the Islamic State militant group, also known as ISIS.

"These are important jobs, but at the same time, we are all in the fight against ISIS, and we're cooperating with Saudi Arabia and other countries," Nicholson said during the debate. "That being said, we don't excuse the human rights violations of any country, and we always step forward and we make that very, very clear. It's not a perfect situation, I agree with that."

The Liberal Party has not indicated whether it would cancel the LAV contract if elected.

Doug Wilson-Hodge, manager of corporate affairs for General Dynamics Land Systems-Canada, said the contract is expected to create or sustain approximately 3,000 jobs per year for the firm and its Canadian supply chain of over 500 companies. That would be for a period of 14 years, he added.

“GDLS-Canada exports in full compliance with the laws and regulations of the government of Canada,” Wilson-Hodge said.

The Canadian government, however, will not comment on whether it conducted a review of human rights issues before approving the export of the vehicles. That review is required under Canadian export regulations designed to prevent the shipment of defense products to states with poor human rights records.

Wilson-Hodge said he could not provide details about the LAV contract.

“The exact vehicle configuration and delivery schedule has not been disclosed due to contractual and confidentiality reasons,” he explained. “What I can tell you is that we are currently in the design and material procurement phase.”

As part of the deal, Saudi Arabia has asked Canada to limit its public discussions about the contract.

But Canadian Foreign Affairs Department documents obtained by the Globe and Mail newspaper earlier this year produced some information. The vehicles are going to be the “most advanced ever made” and deliveries would take place over a nine-year period, according to the government documents cited by the newspaper.

Project Ploughshares, which monitors Canada’s arms exports, used the freedom of information law to obtain records showing that two contracts were awarded. Its researchers believe one was for the provision of the light armored vehicles, while the other was for in-service support and training.

The Canadian government, through its agency, the Canadian Commercial Corp., has been focused on defense export sales to the Middle East. Canadian politicians also are becoming more involved in promoting such equipment.

Ed Fast, Canada’s minister of international trade, led trade missions to Saudi Arabia in 2012 and 2013.

Email: dugliese@defensenews.com

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Un achat de 950 BMP-3 ?

Iraq, Saudi Arabia reportedly interested in placing major BMP-3 orders

Jeremy Binnie, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
30 September 2015

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A BMP-3 that has been upgraded with the Vityaz fire control system was displayed at the RAE show. Source: Christopher F Foss

Iraq and Saudi Arabia have expressed interest in ordering large numbers of BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), according to Albert Bakov, the vice-president and co-owner of the Tractor Plants Concern, which controls Kurganmashzavod, the company that produces the IFVs.

"We've got a request for 500 BMP-3s from Iraq and for 950 vehicles from Saudi Arabia," he told the TASS news agency on 30 September.

In terms of tracked IFVs, Saudi Arabia currently has around 400 Bradley M2/M3s, while Iraq has a small number of BMP-1s and BMP-2s.

Rosboronexport, Russia's arms export agency, has no information about Iraqi or Saudi BMP-3 orders, its spokesman Vyacheslav Davidenko told the Interfax-AVN news agency later the same day. It is possible the Tractor Plants Concern has the authority to line up export orders independently of Rosboronexport.

Bakov suggested the BMP-3 production line is currently closed, even though vehicles were delivered to Azerbaijan and Indonesia in 2014, but would be restarted next year. "In 2016 we will launch an assembly line in time to fulfil all the orders, but the launch of the assembly line requires a lot of work relating to the supply of components," he said.

TASS noted earlier reports that 200 additional BMP-3s have been ordered for the Russian army and are expected to be delivered before the end of 2017.

A new version of the BMP-3 is being developed called the Dragoon that rectifies the vehicle's most glaring flaw by moving the engine to the front, thereby freeing up more space for the infantry in the rear. The Dragoon also has the new AU-220M weapon station with a 57 mm gun.

Brakov indicated that any BMP-3s that will be built for Russia or export customers will be the original version, which has an extremely cramped infantry compartment and a two-man turret with coaxial 100 mm and 30 mm guns, when he said his company was still waiting for a contract from the Russian Ministry of Defence to develop the Dragoon further.

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Ils devraient rajouter une option menottes pour les équipages sur les futurs blindés saoudiens, au vu de la quantité de matériel abandonné aux houthis.

Encore des doublons dans cette armée. Entre les M113, les AMX-10P (toujours en service selon 1 ou 2 vidéos), les Bradley, les piranha II, puis bientôt  les piranha III  et les BMP-3.

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Acheter des BMP-3 permet de sortir d'autres véhicules.

Pour le reste, ils n'ont pas les même préoccupations de coût de maintenance que nous. Et puis, avec le Yémen, ils vont en remplacer des matériels.

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