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En tout cas, ils ont l'intelligence d'avoir plusieurs fournisseur ce qui limite leur dépendance à un pays, bon, c'est un peu le foutoir au niveau logistique à mon avis mais au moins, il sont pas totalement sous la coupe d'un pays étranger.

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Les missiles popeyes :?: De toute façon; l'Inde à des missiles made in Russia 8)

les epinards sont fournis avec :lol:

http://www.forceindia.net/exclusive1.aspextrait d'une interview de Mr l'ambassadeur de France en Inde

des contrats en cours ou passés'

FORCE Jan 2006 [www.forceindia.net]

By Prasun K. Sengupta

Indo-French Defence Ties

For THALES Avionics, the vital breakthrough in India came in 1996 when its AMLCD displays and standby cockpit instrumentation were selected as standard fit for not only the Tejas light combat aircraft, but also for the Su-30MKI, upgraded MiG-21 Bison, and the yet-to-be-upgraded MiG-27Ms and Jaguar IS/IMs of the Indian Air Force (IAF), and in 2004 for the MiG-29K/KUBs on order for the Indian Navy (IN). Also ordered by the IN is the company's TopOwl-F helmet-mounted cueing sight. For the Indian Army, THALES Optronics supplied 208 hand-held thermal imagers (HHTI) under a contract worth US$9,587,686 inked on 1 February 2000. All HHTIs were delivered by November 2000. The company's Catherine-FC thermal viewer with the ability to detect and engage targets at night; through dust, smoke and fog was selected early last year for installation on board the Army's T-90S+ main battle tanks (MBT). These viewers will be assembled and serviced in India by Bharat Electronics Ltd. THALES is also the preferred contender for supplying 14 SMART-L low-level transportable radars for the IAF, and is currently the sole supplier of shipborne airspace and surface search radars like the LW-08 and DW-08 for the IN's locally-made warships.

Another subsidiary of THALES, Belgium-based Forges de Zeebrugge, has been selected by the army to supply its LAU-FZ-231 pods carrying 2.75-inch rockets, to arm the attack variant of the Dhruv. The MoD's Ordnance Factories Board will license-produce the HE and last-fragmentation rockets. THALES Missile Electronics is currently negotiating with the MoD and its Hyderabad-based Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL) to co-develop and mass produce a family of dual-mode seekers for locally-developed air-to-air and anti-armour

guided-missiles like the Astra and Nag. For the air-launched and surface-launched variants of Nag, an imaging infra-red-cum-laser seeker called DMIIRL was selected for co-development in July 2004. The DRDL has since 1988 bought 60 imaging infra-red seekers for prototype Nag missiles. Limited series production of the Nag by the MoD'sHyderabad-based Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL) is due to begin by June this year at a rate of 500 for the army and 100 for the IAF. BDL, meanwhile, is gearing up to licence-produce the 2km-range Milan 3 wire-guided anti-armour missile, developed by MBDA, a company jointly owned by BAE Systems, EADS and Finmeccanica . BDL has to date licence-built 16,000 Milan-2 missiles since 1981 for the army. MBDA has also been short-listed by the IN to supply air defence missiles like the vertically-launched Aster 15/30 for the IAC, and VL Mica for the IAF for base air defence.

Dassault Aviation, which has since the mid-1980s supplied 49 Mirage 2000H/TH multi-role combat aircraft to the IAF, will receive a contract later this year to upgrade these aircraft along with HAL by installing THALES-built RDY multi-PRF fire-control radars, hybrid GPS/inertial navigation systems and integrated airborne countermeasures suites, and arming them with MBDA-supplied Mica active radar-guided beyond visual range air combat missiles and SAGEM's GPS/laser-guided AASM precision-guided munition. Dassault is also in contention to supply the IN with at least 12 maritime surveillance/ASW aircraft, for which the Falcon 900MPA is on offer. For the IAF's M-MRCA requirement, an upgraded version of the Mirage 2000-9 is being offered for co-production with HAL.

GIAT Industries, which lost out to Bofors AB (now SWS Defence, owned by BAE Systems) in the mid-1980s for supplying 410 towed 155mm/39-calibre howitzers, is now well-poised to take its revenge by competing against Israel's SOLTAM and SWS Defence to supply up to 180 CAESAR motorised 155mm/52-calibre howitzers to the Indian Army. GIAT, which had in the early 1970s proposed to co-develop the Arjun Mk1 MBT and its 1,500hp diesel engine and related transmission systems (the DRDO had then arrogantly dismissed this offer), is currently cooperating with the DRDO to develop a radically redesigned turret for the projected Arjun Mk2 MBT, and is also offering the FINDERS battle management system for installation on board the T-90S+. GIAT has already bagged a contract to supply up to 60 THL-20 chin-mounted GIAT Industries-built three-barrel 20mm guns for the Army's Dhruv attack helicopters.

Propulsion manufacturer SNECMA Moteurs has had a distinguished track record on industrial cooperation with its Indian counterparts since the early 1980s. The company had then given HAL the licence to build the Viking (Vikas) rocket engine for the PSLV satellite launch vehicle. By the late 1980s, SNECMA had teamed up with the DRDO's Bangalore-based Gas Turbine Research Establishment to co-develop the Tejas' Kaveri turbofan and supply the engine's directionally-solidified turbine blades. In 2001, SNECMA supplied three Larzac 04H20 engines to power the HAL-built HJT-36 single-engined intermediate jet trainer now being developed for the IAF. Recently, the company proposed co-developing the M53-PX3 turbofan for the Mirage 2000-9 and last June created a joint production team with HAL concerning about a dozen forged aluminium parts for the CFM56 family of turbofans. Notably, this is one of HAL's first export contracts for forge and foundry services. In addition, the Bangalore-based SNECMA Aerospace India Pvt Ltd, manned by a staff of 100, specialises in aeronautical design and onboard software development. SNECMA has also created a joint venture called PowerJet with Russia's NPO Saturn and HAL to develop the next-generation SaM-146 turbofan, which will be offered as power-plant for the four-engined Multi-Role Transport Aircraft that HAL will be co-developing with IRKUT Corp.

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France may offer Rafale for Mirage

SHIV AROOR

Posted online: Thursday, February 16, 2006 at 0455 hours IST

NEW DELHI, FEBRUARY 15: When French President Jacques Chirac arrives in New Delhi on February 19, he will make it a point to tell Indian authorities about the formal withdrawal of the Mirage-2000-5 fighter from the bid for 126 combat aircraft that the IAF is looking at. In its place, he will formally offer the Rafale multirole fighter.

In what has taken the IAF completely by surprise, considering it has unofficially been gunning for the Mirage, the French government has conveyed its intention to shortly pull the Mirage family of fighters off all production lines at contractor Dassault’s facilities to make way for the full-rate production of the new-generation Rafale.

Considering it would take at least three-four years for a contract to actually be signed with India, Paris thinks it would be too expensive to keep the Mirage factories humming. The Rafale, it feels, would be a more a suitable contender: it is much more capable, though considerably costlier.

France’s plans may have been simmering since June last year when IAF chief Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi was given the opportunity to take a spin in a Rafale C-variant twin-seater at the Paris Air Show in Le Bourget. Even Navy chief Admiral Arun Prakash flew in a Rafale-M carrier variant when he was Western Naval commander early in 2004.

Le Rafale a-t-il été vraiment le premier avion polyvalent conçu au monde ?!

Si j'ai bon souvenir lors de la visite officielle de François Mitterand en 1984 en Inde, celle-ci avait commandé 40 mirages 2000 H ?!

J'espère que le gouvernement ne va pas encore traîné dans l'achat des 126 avions dont l'IAF a tant besoin pour remplacer ses vieux mig 21 :!:

En tout cas, le Président Jacques Chirac est attendu de pied ferme !

Le Ministre indien de l'Industrie et du Commerce extérieur (Kamal Nath) met déjà de la pression sur l'affaire "Arcelor" dont le milliardaire indien Lakshmi Mittal a fait une offre publique d'achat sur le groupe. L'Inde accuse l'Europe de xénophobie commerciale et menace d'un impact à l'OMC du duel Mittal/Arcelor. Ambiance, ambiance, ... :oops: à quelques jours de la visite officielle :rolleyes:

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Mon cher Mani ,ton pays a été un grand client pour la France en 2005. 8) Nous lui avons exporter pour 1.027 M€ (contrat des sous-marins Scorpène + achat de SM39 pour 201M€ ) ,vos compagnies aériennes nous achettent des Airbus et compte le faire par la suite. Nous allons collaborer avec vous pour le nucléaire civil. Si les associations indiennes et française d'environnement et d'écologie n'avaient pas fait pression ,vous seriez en train de réceptionner le CLEMENCEAU afin de le démanteller . Voir les différents contrats passés en ce sens. Nous faisons des exercices militaires aérien et naval en commun ,EX : Garuba. Je ne vois pourquoi vous nous attendez de pieds fermes alors que c'est votre gouvernement qui invite JC ?

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C'est Garuda Philippe :lol:

:arrow: Du 15 au 30 juin 2005, la base aérienne 125 " Charles Monier " d'Istres accueillait l'exercice franco-indien " Garuda II ".

C'était la première fois que l'armée de l'air indienne participe à un exercice aérien en Europe et qu'elle déploie ses Sukhoi 30 K hors des frontières indiennes.

Après quelques vols de familiarisation et de reconnaissance des aérodromes environnants au profit des équipages indiens, les avions de chasse des deux pays effectuent des missions mutuelles de défense aérienne dans les zones d'entraînement à haute altitude au-dessus du Sud-Est de la France et de la Méditéranée, selon un scénario tactique à complexité croissante. En outre, des ravitaillements en vol de Sukhoi 30 sur C 135 et de Mirage 2000 sur Iliouchine 78 ont été programmés.

Arnaud ,tu as raison :lol: Garuba et Garuda existent.

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Je ne vois pourquoi vous nous attendez de pieds fermes alors que c'est votre gouvernement qui invite JC ?

Relatif au litige de l'OPA sur Arselor qui risque de compromettre un futur contrat éventuel pour l'IAF. Le PDG de Mittal a quitté la Belgique pour s'entretenir avec le Président Jacques Chirac en Inde. Cet homme d'affaire a une forte influence sur le gouvernement indien et a de puissantes relations, ce n'est pas pour rien qu'un ministre se fâche et met en garde !

Sincèrement je préfère que l'Inde n'achète pas "Made in USA" :? car la fourniture de pièces ou de livraison de matériels dépendra de la bonne humeur de l'Oncle Sam (voire les F-16 qui ne sont toujours pas livrés au Pakistan après 18 ans) et ça risque également d'influencer la politique étrangère de l'Inde d'où une perte d'indépendance ou de souveraineté au profit des Etats-Unis.

Plutôt russe, français, israélien, allemand, anglais, suédois, ... 8)

Sinon d'accord sur l'ensemble de ce que tu as écrit mon cher Philippe !

Je me demande si avec des appareils français, on pourrait mettre un peu de technologie israélienne pointue ?! Comme le Sukhoï 30 MKI par exemple.

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soyons positifs. on pourrait se dire que l'histoires de Mittal et accessoirement du Clem reflette l'interet Indien a finaliser certains contracts en ce sens que c'est un bon moyen de mettre la pression sur le vendeur(la France) et de parvenir a des accords leurs etant plus favorable(aux Indiens) parce que Mr Mittal est citoyen Anglais d'une société basée a Londres et cotée en Hollande. l'Inde me parrait bien loin sur cette histoire d'acier dailleurs a t'il encore des unitées de production sur place?(Mani si t'es au courant).

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Je me demande si avec des appareils français, on pourrait mettre un peu de technologie israélienne pointue ?!

Euh, pourquoi ce serait nécessaire en premier lieu ?

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SEA HARRIER INDIENS Négociations avec Londres L'amiral Sunil Damle, chef d'état-major de la Marine indienne, confirme des négociations engagées avec la Grande-Bretagne pour l'achat d'un nombre encore indéterminé de Sea Harrier retirés du service par la Royal Navy. Une délégation indienne s'est rendue en Grande- Bretagne pour inspecter les avions en vue "d'un accord devant être signé avant avril 2007". Ces appareils britanniques viendraient renforcer, notamment pour l'entraînement des pilotes, les 16 Sea Harrier indiens qui font l'objet d'une modernisation avec l'introduction de la conduite de tir Elta A1/M-2032 et du missile air-air Derby commandé à Rafael à 20 exemplaires.

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parce que Mr Mittal est citoyen Anglais d'une société basée a Londres et cotée en Hollande. l'Inde me parrait bien loin sur cette histoire d'acier dailleurs a t'il encore des unitées de production sur place?(Mani si t'es au courant).

Effectivement d'après Omkar Goswamy (ancien économiste en chef du patronat indien) le PDG Mittal Steel n'est pas une compagnie indienne et n'a pas une seule usine en Inde. Mais disons que l'homme d'affaire d'origine indienne essaie de tirer son épingle du jeu par des interventions gouvernementales des 2 pays. Et puis la corruption des hommes politiques et des hauts-fonctionnaires d'administrations en Inde est une pratique courante.

Euh, pourquoi ce serait nécessaire en premier lieu ?

Ce serait quand même intéressant si on peut améliorer les performances d'un avion de combat avec d'autres composantes.

tu pense a quel genre de technologie?

Les technologies de laser, de radar, des équipements EW (Electronic Warfare), + les missiles mais je vois que les mirages 2000 H et Jaguar IS sont déjà équipés du "LITENING Laser Designation Pod" israélien.
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France may offer Rafale for Mirage

NEW DELHI, FEBRUARY 15: When French President Jacques Chirac arrives in New Delhi on February 19, he will make it a point to tell Indian authorities about the formal withdrawal of the Mirage-2000-5 fighter from the bid for 126 combat aircraft that the IAF is looking at. In its place, he will formally offer the Rafale multirole fighter.

In what has taken the IAF completely by surprise, considering it has unofficially been gunning for the Mirage, the French government has conveyed its intention to shortly pull the Mirage family of fighters off all production lines at contractor Dassault’s facilities to make way for the full-rate production of the new-generation Rafale.

Considering it would take at least three-four years for a contract to actually be signed with India, Paris thinks it would be too expensive to keep the Mirage factories humming. The Rafale, it feels, would be a more a suitable contender: it is much more capable, though considerably costlier.

France’s plans may have been simmering since June last year when IAF chief Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi was given the opportunity to take a spin in a Rafale C-variant twin-seater at the Paris Air Show in Le Bourget. Even Navy chief Admiral Arun Prakash flew in a Rafale-M carrier variant when he was Western Naval commander early in 2004.

The French President had made it a point to visit the HAL pavilion at the Paris Air Show last June. France’s offer, like the other countries contending for the massive deal, would include the licensed manufacture of Rafales at HAL’s facilities.

Considering the IAF’s fears about adding yet another fighter type to its already swollen inventory—the reason why it wants already operational Mirage variants—the defence delegation accompanying Chirac, led by Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, will tell South Block that upgrading infrastructure for the Rafale will not be an expensive proposition since it takes much from the Mirage family itself.

The decision to disengage the Mirage-2000-5 from participation in the IAF’s upcoming tender may have also had something to do with Washington’s unilateral offer of the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, before which Paris considered the Mirage-2000-5 a worthy opponent to the American F-16 Fighting Falcon. The perception was that matching the old Mirage family against the relatively new Super Hornet would give the Americans the technological edge in the contract and subsequent trial tests.

Si ca se concretise c'est une tres bonne nouvelle :P
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