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[Russie] BMP et BMD, du 1 au 4

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Avec l'arrivée du Kurganets, nous avons une rupture chez les blindés chenillés russe.

On peut donc faire un fil dédié à l'évolution des anciennes générations de BMP et BMD.

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Un point sur la programmation des achats de BMD-4M.

Il est à noter que le BMD-3 a déjà 20ans et que seulement 25% de la flotte de BMD-1 et 2 a été changée.

C'est sympa de sortir un blindé tous les ans mais si c'est pour en avoir 12...

BMD-4M Procurement Remains Top Priority for Russian VDV Despite Trying Economic Conditions

(Source: Forecast International; issued April 28, 2015)

NEWTOWN, Conn. - The Russian Military considers the BMD-4 series a critical asset for the implementation of airborne (Vozdushno-Desantnye Voyska, or VDV) and Naval Infantry operations.

Although the condition of the Russian economy and defense-industrial base will serve to limit the scale of BMD-4 procurement during the forecast period, the program nevertheless remains an important component of the Military's modernization initiative.

The initial BMD-3 series vehicles delivered to the VDV have now been in active service for over 20 years. As a result, we anticipate that the service will initiate a fairly comprehensive retrofit program for its active BMD-3 stocks during the forecast period to a performance standard analogous to that of the BMD-4M.

New-build production of the base-model BMD-3 and BMD-4 vehicles is dormant, superseded by the BMD-4M.

The significantly modernized BMD-4M design represents the future of the BMD series in Russian Military service.

The Russian Ministry of Defense placed an initial order for 20 pre-series production BMD-4M vehicles in 2012, allocating 10 units each to the VDV and Naval Infantry for use in performance testing and operational trials. The prime contractor began shipment of these preliminary testing models in mid-2013 and completed deliveries during the first half of 2014.

Later that same year, the MoD and VDV concluded the vetting process for the BMD-4M and proceeded to approve the design for serial-production and procurement shortly thereafter.

Although some reports indicated that the Russian MoD had envisioned the BMD-4M entering series-production in 2016, the expedited length of the testing process allowed for a corresponding acceleration of the overall project timeline.

The VDV inducted the first 12 serial-production BMD-4M units into active service in March 2015. According to statements made by VDV officers to the Russian press, the service hopes to acquire an approximate total of 64 BMD-4M vehicles through 2015.

Although maritime trials of the BMD-4M were undertaken concurrently with those of the airborne arm, the niche capabilities required of the Naval Infantry's planned variant necessitate a later deployment date.

Russia's 2011-2020 State Armaments Plan envisioned an intensely demanding production timeline for the BMD-4M, involving the procurement of up to 1,000 new-build units during the indicated timeframe and subsequent reports have outlined the acquisition of an additional 500 units during the period 2020-2025.

The practical limitations of Russia's defense-industrial base would have made this acquisition plan exceedingly ambitious even during prosperous economic times, and with the nation's economy now straining under the dual impediments of low oil and gas prices and targeted Western sanctions, this rate of production is not likely to be feasible.

The Russian MoD has traditionally considered the VDV to be one of the primary spearheads of Russia's offensive military capability, and as such the service has long enjoyed preferential treatment in regard to the procurement of advanced new vehicles and equipment.

As such, the VDV have often been at the forefront of Russia's ambitious military modernization program, a fact most recently testified to by the deployment of noticeably well-equipped and highly professional VDV troops in the precarious early stages of Russia's annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

The Russian Army currently maintains four airborne divisions and several independent brigades in active service, and recent reports indicate that the Army hopes to raise an additional three airborne brigades during the next decade.

However, although these units may stand as some of the best-equipped and most combat capable in the Russian military's force structure, fiscal and practical constraints nevertheless continue to inhibit the pace and scale of the VDV's vehicle replacement program.

The low-rate historical of BMD-3 and BMD-4 since 1990 has only allowed the service to fulfill a scant 25 percent of the airborne service's total BMD requirement.

The Russian MoD and Government have sought to rectify some of these shortfalls through recent defense budget increases and the initiation of its modernization program. Nevertheless, we do not anticipate that the scale of BMD-4M production will prove sufficient to entirely replace the VDV's active stocks of aging BMD-1 and BMD-2 vehicles within the forecast period, or even for some period afterward.

Although the unique airborne capabilities of the BMD-4/4M could attract interest on the international market, the niche operational role for which the vehicle is intended primarily serves to limit its overall export potential.

A relatively small quantity of export orders for the design are likely to materialize during the forecast period, such as the rumored Indonesian order for 54 BMD-4 vehicles, but the ambitious demands of Russian VDV and Naval Infantry procurement are likely persist in monopolizing the majority of the BMD-4/4M production through the 2024.

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Un point sur la programmation des achats de BMD-4M.

Il est à noter que le BMD-3 a déjà 20ans et que seulement 25% de la flotte de BMD-1 et 2 a été changée.

C'est sympa de sortir un blindé tous les ans mais si c'est pour en avoir 12...

 

Oui et non

La caisse BMD 1-2-3 ne change pas fondamentalement et en accord avec les besoins des VDV. Le BMD-3 donne just un surplus de puissance de feu. Pas ce que j'appelerais un vehicule a acquérir d'urgence en quantité parce qu'il apporte une rupture doctrinale majeure...

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C'est pas une question de rupture stratégique. Ce serait d'ailleurs compliqué d'y arriver en remplacement d'un VCI aéro largable. Les contraintes sont telles.

Le problème est tout simplement le renouvellement de la flotte qui ne se fait pas. Ils ont introduit il y a 20 ans le successeur des BMD-1 et 2. Il ne représente aujourd'hui que 25 % de la flotte. De même, ils présentent le BMD-4M il y a 5 ans.... et ils en ont 12 en service. En rappelant que leur cible officielle est de 1500 BMD-4M et 2200 BTD-D3.

Cela démontre qu'ils ont de gros problèmes de dotation en matériel. Surtout sur des unités qui sont présentées comme la pointe de leur dispositif.

En parallèle, cela laisse entière la question de soutenabilité des programmes Kurganet, Armata et Boumerang.

PS : la rupture doctrinale vient dans ce cas de l'arrivée du BMD-1. La capacité de larguer des unités chenillées fut un choc pour l'Ouest. Après, la maturité arrive avec le BMD-3 qui est vraiment commandable.

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La Russie a multiplié par trois le nombre de missiles des systèmes de ses défenses antimissile et antiaérienne.

En 2015, la Russie a l’intention de développer sa production de systèmes de défense antimissile et de défense antiaérienne par trois, selon l’Agence TASS (09 avril 2015), citant une source au sein du ministère de la Défense nationale.

 

Parallèlement, les militaires ont l’intention de raccourcir le temps de déploiement de ces nouveaux systèmes (PRO/PVO) à travers le pays, y compris en Arctique et en Crimée.

 

Ce triplement de la production de systèmes antimissiles et antiaériens permettra de développer les capacités des nouvelles Forces aériennes et spatiales russes (VKO/ Войска воздушно-космической обороны), fondées le 1er décembre 2011, par la fusion de l’Armée de l’air et des Troupes de défense aérienne et spatiale.

http://forcesoperations.com/2015/04/28/la-russie-a-multiplie-par-trois-le-nombre-de-missiles-des-systemes-de-ses-defenses-antimissile-et-antiaerienne/

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C'est le BMD-X volant Serge, voila pourquoi le commentaire apparaît ici.

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D'autres pays se sont-ils engagés dans le développement d'un blindé pouvant transporter des troupes et leur fournir un appui feu conséquent, à l'instar du BMP-3 ? Si oui, lesquels ; et si non, pourquoi ?

Enfin, serait-il envisageable de créer un canon de 105mm à munitions spéciales ( moins de poudre pour un recul plus faible et une portée moindre ) susceptible d'être monté sur des VCI ( type PUMA ou T15 ) en sacrifiant une partie de la capacité d'emport ( 4 fantassins seulement ) ??

D'avance merci !

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Dans les faits, Est-ce que larguer ces unités blindées para auraient pu avoir un réel effet sur l'ennemi ? Si tant est qu'ils aient pu larguer.

Parce qu'en dehors des Russes, je ne vois personne qui ai tenté ça. Même pas les américains.

Est-ce que les russes ne surestiment pas/ne glorifient pas les para ?

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C'est quand même des troupes d'élites dont les véhicules ont une très grande puissance de feu, donc il faut en tenir compte.

 

Côté protection  par contre c'est du léger, je ne sais pas s'ils possèdent des système genre Arena ou Trophy.

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@ Walky

 

La Chine a présenté un véhicule fortement "inspiré" du BMP-3 aussi.

 

Sinon est-ce qu'il y a des différences au niveau de la caisse entre le BMP-1 et le BMP-2 ?

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Sinon est-ce qu'il y a des différences au niveau de la caisse entre le BMP-1 et le BMP-2 ?

 

 

Le passage à une tourelle biplace fait qu'il y a eu des changements au niveau de l'agencement interne du véhicule.

 

 

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D'autres pays se sont-ils engagés dans le développement d'un blindé pouvant transporter des troupes et leur fournir un appui feu conséquent, à l'instar du BMP-3 ? Si oui, lesquels ; et si non, pourquoi ?

Enfin, serait-il envisageable de créer un canon de 105mm à munitions spéciales ( moins de poudre pour un recul plus faible et une portée moindre ) susceptible d'être monté sur des VCI ( type PUMA ou T15 ) en sacrifiant une partie de la capacité d'emport ( 4 fantassins seulement ) ??

D'avance merci !

En fait, quand tu montes une tourelle de 105 ou 120mm (quelque soit le modèle tant que le châssis peut la porter), il reste avec les châssis de VCI chenillés de la place à l'arrière.

Le client peut donc obtenir ce qu'il veut. Un casier à munition ou 4 places. En revanche, il faut faire un choix.

A noter comme cas particulier qu'Oto-Malera et Iveco ont proposé une configuration du B1 Centauro où les casiers à obus étaient débarqués pour monter 4 hommes. C'était la version dite Reconnaissance.

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Comme transporteur de troupe à forte puissance de feu il y a peut-être le CV-90 avec son canon de 105mm ? 

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Le CV-90-120 est proposé avec 4 places ou un rack à 40 obus.

Il y avait au début d'avoir un système de rechargement rapide en bénéficiant de la porte arrière.

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Son râtelier en nuque de tourelle me fait penser à celui de l'AMX-40 et plus récemment à celui du Merkava Mk. IV.

 

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C'est exactement cela. Tu as un système d'assistance au chargement qui facile le travail du chargeur.

Le chef de projet n'a pas voulu proposer un chargent automatique car il considérait que la charge de travail était trop grande avec un char. Le chargeur devait être conservé.

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Nouvelle commande de BMP-3 

Russian defense ministry to get more than 200 new BMP-3 armored infantry vehicles

(Source: TASS; published Sept 09, 2015)

NIZHNY TAGIL, Russia --- The Russian Defense Ministry will receive by the end of 2017 more than 200 BMP-3 infantry combat vehicles, Executive Director of the vehicle’s manufacturer Kurganmashzavod (subsidiary of Tractor Plants corporate group) Alexander Klyuzhev told TASS on Wednesday.

"In 2015, a long-term contract was concluded with the Russian Defense Ministry on supply of more than 200 BMP-3 infantry combat vehicles to the Russian army units in 2015-2017," he said.

Previously, the first vice president and co-owner of Tractor Plants, Albert Bakov, told TASS that the contract with the Defense Ministry envisaged the supply of several hundred BMP-3 vehicles to the troops.

Concern Tractor Plants, or (CTP), is a leading Russian machine building company. CTP is the country's largest tractor manufacturer, and one of the largest heavy mechanical engineering companies in the world.

The company produces machinery for the industrial, military, agricultural, municipal building and railway sectors, including tractors, harvesting machinery, components and spare parts.

CTP consolidates 14 industrial enterprises, three trading-service companies, a number of specialized Research and development offices and a Scientific Research Institute. The total number of employees is approximately 45,000 people. CTP operates in more than 40 countries worldwide.

The Kurganmashzavod joint-stock company is the biggest enterprise of the Kurgan region and one of the leaders of Russia’s military industrial complex. It is the only plant in the country manufacturing military assault vehicles (BMP) and its modifications.

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Les choses se confirment. Le BT-3F est une variante du BMP-3F :

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Russia develops BT-3F amphibious tracked APC for Naval Infantry
Nikolai Novichkov, Moscow - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
18 August 2016

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Russian Tractor Plants Concern's BT-3F amphibious tracked armoured personnel carrier (APC). Source: Nikolai Novichkov


Russia's Tractor Plants Concern is developing a new amphibious tracked armoured personnel carrier (APC) called the BT-3F, a defence industry source told IHS Jane's . The new APC is intended for the use by naval infantry/marine units.

"The Tractor Plants Concern is finishing the designing of the BT-3F APC in order to exhibit its demonstrator at the Army 2016 military-technical forum outside Moscow in September 2016. The vehicle may partially replace the BTR-80 APC of Russia's Naval Infantry. We suppose that the Ministry of Defence (MoD) will take a close look on the new vehicle at the forum," the source said.

He said that the BT-3F APC has a combat weight of 18.5 tonnes, a crew of three, and can carry 14 soldiers. "The vehicle is armoured at Level 4 STANAG 4569, providing all-round protection against 14.5x114 mm bullets fired from a KPVT heavy machine gun at a 200 m distance. The hull of BT-3F has a length of 7,000 mm, a width of 3,300 mm, and a height of 3,000 mm. The APC is powered by a diesel engine [of 500 hp] that provides a road speed of 70 km/h, a swimming speed of 10 km/h, and a power-to-weight ratio of 26.7 hp/t. The BT-3F has an operational range of 600 km," the source added.

The BT-3F is based on the chassis of the BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicle (IFV). As a result "the serial production and massive deliveries of the BT-3F APCs to the Russian Armed Forces can be established in the shortest time possible, due to the high level of interchangeability between the carrier and the BMP-3 IFV," the source claimed.

The new vehicle is currently armed by a DPV-T remote controlled weapon station (RCWS) fitted with a 7.62x54 mm PKTM Kalashnikov machine gun. However, "The APC can be integrated with all types of remote turrets developed by the Russian defence industry, including those armed with 12.7 mm 6P49 Kord machine gun and 14.5 mm KPVT machine gun, as well as 30 mm AG-17A and 40 mm AG-40 automatic grenade launchers," the source said.

 

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