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Communication de MTU sur le moteur du NGF (avec une vidéo) : 

https://aeroreport.de/en/good-to-know/a-powerful-engine-for-a-powerful-fighter

La vidéo

https://aeroreport.de/content/4-good-to-know/28-ein-starker-antrieb-fuer-ein-starkes-kampfflugzeug/4-videomosaik/NEFE_VCE_2020_FINAL_EN_0001.mp4

 

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A powerful engine for a powerful fighter

For the Next European Fighter Engine, MTU is harnessing a variable cyclic process that greatly reduces consumption while enhancing mission flexibility.

01.2021 | Text: Isabel Henrich

Higher performance and flexibility, lower consumption: the requirements for a next-generation fighter aircraft have been clearly defined. Part of Europe’s Future Combat Air System (FCAS), the first New Generation Fighter (NGF) is scheduled for takeoff in 2040 and will be required to demonstrate maximum performance in extreme situations.

A powerful fighter needs a powerful engine

Together with partners Safran Aircraft Engines in France and ITP in Spain, MTU Aero Engines will develop the centerpiece of the new European fighter aircraft: the Next European Fighter Engine (NEFE). When it comes to engine technology, the requirements for the NGF include innovative and advanced tools, processes and materials. MTU is paving the way for new design concepts by incorporating bionic design and utilizing new manufacturing processes—largely developed in-house—such as additive manufacturing. New materials, including high-temperature metallic monocrystalline and fiber-reinforced composites, enable the company to reduce component weight while supporting higher engine temperatures.

MTU is also aiming to significantly enhance the engine concept itself: a variable cycle engine (VCE) will deliver increased mission flexibility, low fuel consumption and maximum thrust.

 

 

 

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Il y a 7 heures, Deltafan a dit :

ttps://aeroreport.de/en/good-to-know/a-powerful-engine-for-a-powerful-fighter

Premier doc sur ce futur moteur ?

For the Next European Fighter Engine, MTU is harnessing a variable cyclic process that greatly reduces consumption while enhancing mission flexibility.

Higher performance and flexibility, lower consumption: the requirements for a next-generation fighter aircraft have been clearly defined. Part of Europe’s Future Combat Air System (FCAS), the first New Generation Fighter (NGF) is scheduled for takeoff in 2040 and will be required to demonstrate maximum performance in extreme situations.

A powerful fighter needs a powerful engine

Together with partners Safran Aircraft Engines in France and ITP in Spain, MTU Aero Engines will develop the centerpiece of the new European fighter aircraft: the Next European Fighter Engine (NEFE). When it comes to engine technology, the requirements for the NGF include innovative and advanced tools, processes and materials. MTU is paving the way for new design concepts by incorporating bionic design and utilizing new manufacturing processes—largely developed in-house—such as additive manufacturing. New materials, including high-temperature metallic monocrystalline and fiber-reinforced composites, enable the company to reduce component weight while supporting higher engine temperatures.

MTU is also aiming to significantly enhance the engine concept itself: a variable cycle engine (VCE) will deliver increased mission flexibility, low fuel consumption and maximum thrust.

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SCAF : rencontre des chefs d’état-major des armées de l’air française, allemande et espagnole

Le 26 janvier 2021, le général Philippe Lavigne, le général Ingo Gerhartz et le général Javier Salto, respectivement chefs d’état-major des armées de l’air française, allemande et espagnole, se sont entretenus en visioconférence sur les programmes en coopération. Ils ont ainsi plus particulièrement partagé leur point de vue sur l’avancée du Système de combat aérien futur (SCAF) de chacune des Nations dans le cadre du projet trilatéral NGWS (Next Generation Weapon System).

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/actus-air/scaf-rencontre-des-chefs-d-etat-major-des-armees-de-l-air-francaise-allemande-et-espagnole

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Il y a 1 heure, DEFA550 a dit :

Que j'aime comment ils tirent la couverture à eux ! :angry:

C'est beaucoup effectivement.

- Inconvénient : on perçoit mal l'intérêt de Safran, là...

- Avantage de l'inconvénient : vu du Bundestag, c'est vendeur.

Moralité : il va falloir faire attention à ne véritablement donner ni trop, ni trop peu, tout en acceptant une très forte valorisation publique du rôle des partennaires.

Un bon numéro d'équilibrisme, à suivre. J'espère que les choses sont claires entre industriels et suis hereux que Dassault et la DGA châpeautent tout ça. Ça peut marcher.

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Il y a 12 heures, Deltafan a dit :

Communication de MTU sur le moteur du NGF (avec une vidéo) : 

https://aeroreport.de/en/good-to-know/a-powerful-engine-for-a-powerful-fighter

La vidéo

https://aeroreport.de/content/4-good-to-know/28-ein-starker-antrieb-fuer-ein-starkes-kampfflugzeug/4-videomosaik/NEFE_VCE_2020_FINAL_EN_0001.mp4

 

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A powerful engine for a powerful fighter

For the Next European Fighter Engine, MTU is harnessing a variable cyclic process that greatly reduces consumption while enhancing mission flexibility.

01.2021 | Text: Isabel Henrich

Higher performance and flexibility, lower consumption: the requirements for a next-generation fighter aircraft have been clearly defined. Part of Europe’s Future Combat Air System (FCAS), the first New Generation Fighter (NGF) is scheduled for takeoff in 2040 and will be required to demonstrate maximum performance in extreme situations.

A powerful fighter needs a powerful engine

Together with partners Safran Aircraft Engines in France and ITP in Spain, MTU Aero Engines will develop the centerpiece of the new European fighter aircraft: the Next European Fighter Engine (NEFE). When it comes to engine technology, the requirements for the NGF include innovative and advanced tools, processes and materials. MTU is paving the way for new design concepts by incorporating bionic design and utilizing new manufacturing processes—largely developed in-house—such as additive manufacturing. New materials, including high-temperature metallic monocrystalline and fiber-reinforced composites, enable the company to reduce component weight while supporting higher engine temperatures.

MTU is also aiming to significantly enhance the engine concept itself: a variable cycle engine (VCE) will deliver increased mission flexibility, low fuel consumption and maximum thrust.

 

 

 

MTU, le Lockeed Martin des réacteurs (Cf Video et autres powerpoint) ?

leur nouvelle devise

Powerfull fighter need a powerpoint engine !

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il y a 42 minutes, B52 a dit :

MTU, le Lockeed Martin des réacteurs (Cf Video et autres powerpoint) ?

leur nouvelle devise

Powerfull fighter need a powerpoint engine !

En même temps tout le monde en est aux PowerPoint, image de synthèses et maquettes en carton

Il y a 2 heures, Boule75 a dit :

C'est beaucoup effectivement.

- Inconvénient : on perçoit mal l'intérêt de Safran, là...

- Avantage de l'inconvénient : vu du Bundestag, c'est vendeur.

Moralité : il va falloir faire attention à ne véritablement donner ni trop, ni trop peu, tout en acceptant une très forte valorisation publique du rôle des partennaires.

Un bon numéro d'équilibrisme, à suivre. J'espère que les choses sont claires entre industriels et suis hereux que Dassault et la DGA châpeautent tout ça. Ça peut marcher.

Il faut surtout arrêter d’interpréter tout de travers honnêtement. C'est juste une com commercial sur ce qu'ils vont faire sur le moteur.

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il y a 7 minutes, seb24 a dit :

C'est juste une com commercial sur ce qu'ils vont faire sur le moteur.

Ben justement, on ne sait pas trop ce qu'ils feront en vrai.  C'est assez vendeur mais bigrement vague.

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il y a 3 minutes, B52 a dit :

Ben justement, on ne sait pas trop ce qu'ils feront en vrai.  C'est assez vendeur mais bigrement vague.

Oui c'est de la com. Ce serait un reportage ça ferait très léger en effet. Mais c'est pas le cas.

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il y a 14 minutes, Pierre_F a dit :

C’est toujours  « particulier » le management d’une équipe de spécialistes techniques mais quand on rajoute la couche culturelle et identitaire... il faut être capitaine dans la légion étrangère :biggrin:

Airbus civil le fait plutôt bien (vu d'hélicoptère par un néophyte comme... moi ! )

Le contraste avec Airbus militaire est du coup spécialement choquant. 

Prions pour que le développement du SCAF tienne du premier.

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Il y a 5 heures, Pierre_F a dit :

Il nous faut les meilleures compétences germano, hispano, françaises dans ce projet et ne pas jouer les divas.  

Ben bien sûr Indra pour la guerre elec
mtu pour le réacteur (apparemment a lui tout seul)
airbus pour le furtif
Thales a été choisi pour le cloud otan mais pas assez bon pour le scaf ...

Et c’est nous qui jouons les divas ?

pourquoi aller chercher ailleurs de compétences moindre que ce qu’on a chez nous ? Parce qu’il faut partager le gâteau certainement pas pour « les meilleurs compétences »

 

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Il y a 16 heures, seb24 a dit :

Personne pour nous faire 15 messages sur l'analyse de l’aérodynamique de ces images de SCAF ? :biggrin:

répète 10 fois rapidement après moi : " je kiffe le patch du scaf " ...

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Article Defense News, avec le titre : Companies seek end to haggling over FCAS rights with fresh offer this week

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Airbus and Dassault executives hope to finalize their offer for the next phase of the Future Combat Air System by the end of the week, putting to rest a dispute over the handling of intellectual property rights that has been simmering between partner nations Germany, France and Spain.

At issue is whether countries participating in the development of mainland Europe’s futuristic weapon system are free to use the technology to make adjustments of their own later on, said German Air Force Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Ingo Gerhartz : “It should be clear that if we’re developing a European system, there can be no black boxes,” he said at an online press conference organized by German aerospace industry association BDLI. The term “black box” refers to technology purchased as-is, with no means by customers to understand, replicate or modify it. “It must be possible to hand intellectual property rights from branch of industry to another so that it’s possible for all partners to make their own developments in the future,” Gerhartz added.
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Next up for the program is additional development work culminating in the presentation of a demonstrator aircraft and remote carriers by 2026 or 2027. Those could be simple, throw-away drones or more elaborate unmanned planes in the style of a “loyal wingman” to the human pilot, said Dirk Hoke, CEO of Airbus Defence and Space, at the same press conference.

An agreement on intellectual property usage is needed both on the government and industry level before submitting an offer for the upcoming program stage. The idea is to find a compromise by Feb. 5, have the Berlin government submit the documentation to the Bundestag, Germany’s parliament, for approval over the next few months, and get the green light to spend additional money before the summer break, according to Hoke.
While Airbus is used to sharing its intellectual property rights when selling to the German government, partner nations France and Spain handle things differently. “I’m confident that we can find a common solution,” Hoke said.

Reinhard Brandl, a lawmaker of Bavaria’s Christian Social Union who sits on the Bundestag’s appropriations committee, said he shared the optimism but singled out IP rights as a continuing sticking point. “We will look at the agreement very carefully,” he said. “We don’t want to see unfavorable concessions just for the sake of an agreement.”
Brandl belongs to a faction of German lawmakers who fear that domestic companies could lose out in a cooperative program with France. That is especially the case, following that logic, because Airbus, as the German lead contractor, is partly French to begin with.

The French, meanwhile, have at times become frustrated with Germany’s piecemeal approval process for FCAS funding, a dynamic that could become even more pronounced if money gets tight as a result of the coronavirus crisis.

Thomas Jarzombek, the point man for aerospace policy at the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy, said the program remains crucial for German industry, describing it as a recovery activity for companies post-COVID. “It’s become even more important than before,” he said.

Brandl said he still worries about spending cuts in the future, especially during development, as the defense ministry may seek opportunities for more near-term fixes to lagging readiness rates across the force. He proposed anchoring FCAS funding elsewhere in the federal government other than under the auspices of the Bundeswehr, at least until the program gets close to showing actual military utility.

 

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